[alancalverd]

Your believe is not strong enough to suppress your survival instinct. Inadvertently, you just admitted that for you, nothing is more important than having fun.

No, I have no beliefs, but the principle of minimum assumption is efficient and in the absence of evidence to the contrary I see no purpose in earthly life nor any reason to want or assume one. Survival is essential in order to have fun, and like the advert says, when the fun stops, stop.  One thing humans are pretty good at, is predicting the near future. Why would anyone want to continue a life of predictable misery? We also have a large dose of empathy, and making life good for others can be pleasurable, but there's a point at which the balance tips.

On the other hand, 911 hijackers have a believe that is strong enough to overcome their survival instinct. So did kamikaze pilots, Bruce Willis' character in the movie Armageddon, and Iron Man in the End Game.

Hence my contempt for belief, loathing of the parasites who sell faith/patriotism/loyalty, and compete lack of interest in fictional characters.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

No, I have no beliefs, but the principle of minimum assumption is efficient and in the absence of evidence to the contrary I see no purpose in earthly life nor any reason to want or assume one. Survival is essential in order to have fun, and like the advert says, when the fun stops, stop.  One thing humans are pretty good at, is predicting the near future.

You believe that earthly life is ultimately empty.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Why would anyone want to continue a life of predictable misery?

To save resources to be used by someone else to achieve their common goal.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

We also have a large dose of empathy, and making life good for others can be pleasurable, but there's a point at which the balance tips.

Emotion and reflex are shortcuts to achieve target while saving time and energy to process information. Nonetheless, they have lower accuracy and precision than well thought actions.
They are especially useful when time is limited to make decisions.

[alancalverd]

You believe that earthly life is ultimately empty.

Please accept that I have no beliefs. I am simply unaware of any purpose to life.

[alancalverd]

Emotion and reflex are shortcuts to achieve target

As they rarely lead to an improved outcome, I think you are a bit short of convincing evidence for that statement. Reflex blinking and some learned driving reflexes are logical but actions motivated by love or hate have a pretty mixed record of achieving anything of value.

[alancalverd]

Why would anyone want to continue a life of predictable misery?

To save resources to be used by someone else to achieve their common goal.

Apart from giving blood or a live kidney, that is clearly wrong. Living consumes resources.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

You believe that earthly life is ultimately empty.

Please accept that I have no beliefs. I am simply unaware of any purpose to life.

So why did you write this?

Vanitas vanitatum!

Vanitas vanitatum, omnia vanitas definition is - vanity of vanities, all (is) vanity : earthly life is ultimately empty.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vanitas%20vanitatum%2C%20omnia%20vanitas

Whether we realize it or not, every conscious agent has mental map of the universe representing themself and their environments. Some of them are accurate, some aren't. I believe that there is an objective reality which I share with other conscious agents. I also believe that I exist within that objective reality, at least for now. Do you share those beliefs? Your responses so far indicate that you do.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Emotion and reflex are shortcuts to achieve target

As they rarely lead to an improved outcome, I think you are a bit short of convincing evidence for that statement. Reflex blinking and some learned driving reflexes are logical but actions motivated by love or hate have a pretty mixed record of achieving anything of value.

If you compare them with well thought decisions, of course the outcomes won't impress much. But if you compare them with the cases where they are not present, the improvement will be huge.

[alancalverd]

Serial killers would disagree. You can't let reflex or emotion get in the way of God's given task to rid the earth of left-handers, or whatever your destiny may demand.

[alancalverd]

I believe that there is an objective reality which I share with other conscious agents.

Belief is acceptance of a hypothesis in the absence of facts. I have no need of or use for this hypothetical concept, just lots of experience of the behavior of objects.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I believe that there is an objective reality which I share with other conscious agents.

Belief is acceptance of a hypothesis in the absence of facts. I have no need of or use for this hypothetical concept, just lots of experience of the behavior of objects.

You are confusing between believe and faith.
I believe that the sun is hotter than the moon because I can feel it.
I believe that the sun is bigger than the moon because the moon can be in front of the sun while their sizes look similar.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Serial killers would disagree. You can't let reflex or emotion get in the way of God's given task to rid the earth of left-handers, or whatever your destiny may demand.

Why would they?
Let's make a thought experiment. Get two groups of average persons. The control group is left  as it is. Take away reflex, instinct, and emotion from members of the other group.
People without emotion will find it hard to gain trust from others and cooperate. Those without instinct to find mate when reaching adulthood won't pass their genes to the next generation. Those without instinct to eat when hungry nor reflex to breath when CO2 level in their bloodstream rises won't survive.

[alancalverd]

You are confusing between believe and faith.
I believe that the sun is hotter than the moon because I can feel it.
I believe that the sun is bigger than the moon because the moon can be in front of the sun while their sizes look similar.

No. Faith is acceptance of a hypothesis in spite of the facts.

You know the sun is hotter than the moon because you can feel and measure their effect.

You know the sun is bigger than the moon because the eclipse is consistent with all you have ever observed about  perspective and geometric optics.

If advised by a jockey I might believe that Wobbly Donkey will win the 4.30 race, because I have no other information. But backing him at 50:1 when he has a broken leg would be faith.
 
King Canute had faith in his power to halt the tide, and drowned.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

The universal terminal goal is universal, just like the name suggests. Hence any conscious system survives long enough to adequately improve its believe system will inevitably come to the same conclusion.

[alancalverd]

People without emotion will find it hard to gain trust from others

How do you think telephone scams work? If there is any emotion involved, it is only contempt for the victim.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

You are confusing between believe and faith.
I believe that the sun is hotter than the moon because I can feel it.
I believe that the sun is bigger than the moon because the moon can be in front of the sun while their sizes look similar.

No. Faith is acceptance of a hypothesis in spite of the facts.

You know the sun is hotter than the moon because you can feel and measure their effect.

You know the sun is bigger than the moon because the eclipse is consistent with all you have ever observed about  perspective and geometric optics.

If advised by a jockey I might believe that Wobbly Donkey will win the 4.30 race, because I have no other information. But backing him at 50:1 when he has a broken leg would be faith.
 
King Canute had faith in his power to halt the tide, and drowned.

Let's use standard definition of words whenever possible. Otherwise, we should express it clearly that we are using an alternative definition.

Belief
noun
1.
an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
"his belief in the value of hard work"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
"I've still got belief in myself"

By your definition, faith cannot exist without evidence.

Faith
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
2.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
"bereaved people who have shown supreme faith"

[ukmicky]

Now that foundations for universal moral standard are generally complete, I'll demonstrate how to use them in real life case. Let's start with the famous trolley problem.

You see a runaway trolley moving toward five tied-up (or otherwise incapacitated) people lying on the tracks. You are standing next to a lever that controls a switch. If you pull the lever, the trolley will be redirected onto a side track and the five people on the main track will be saved. However, there is a single person lying on the side track. You have two options:

Do nothing and allow the trolley to kill the five people on the main track.
Pull the lever, diverting the trolley onto the side track where it will kill one person.
Which is the more ethical option?

Let's start with the most basic version, with following assumptions:
1. There's no uncertainty about the statements describing the situation.
2. The outcome solely depends on the choice made by the subject. Nothing else can interfere the course of the events.
3. All of those six people have equal positive contributions to the society.
4. The switching action requires negligible amount of resources.

Here the math shows that you should pull the lever.

The moral answer

You pull the lever and send it to the single person not because it’s better to kill one person rather than 5 ,you send it to the single person  because there is more chance of a single person being rescued or getting out of the way in time than  5 people.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

People without emotion will find it hard to gain trust from others

How do you think telephone scams work? If there is any emotion involved, it is only contempt for the victim.

Reflex, instinct, and emotions are shortcuts to process information to make decisions and take actions. They worked well most of the time when life was simpler. But evolutionary arms race forced us to employ more complex information processing by analyzing situation, deceiving opponents, and detection of deceptions.
 
When time is less restricted, thought often gives better results since it takes into account longer term effects.

Expressing emotion is especially useful when communication methods are limited, but our lives depend on the cooperation with others, like in wolf packs or prehistoric tribal societies.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

The moral answer

You pull the lever and send it to the single person not because it’s better to kill one person rather than 5 ,you send it to the single person  because there is more chance of a single person being rescued or getting out of the way in time than  5 people.

What if the case is reversed? It's easier for 5 people to stop the train by cooperation, while it's harder to stop it alone. Let's say it can be done by bending the railway.

But the basic experiment stated that there are only two possible outcomes. No chance is involved which can produce other results.