[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Which concept?
Why so?

The concept of "a" people, for the reason stated.

Weren't you the one who stated that the earth would be better off without people?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

It depends on what's the difference that they have.

I specifically referred to what they are, not what they do. Civilised laws criminalise actions, superstitions criminalise appearance, parentage, etc.

Preventive or proactive measures are often better than reactive measures. But it requires prediction of what people will do in some circumstances.
What people do is largely determined by what they believe. But it's hard to read people's minds. So people pick easier ways, such as identifying physical appearances, and connect them with some typical behaviors. Another alternative is using social credit systems with various weights for each behavior.
What people did in the past is a pretty good indicator of what they'll do in the future, although not 100% accurate. Precise social credit system will require mass surveillance, which gives enormous power to those with access to it.

[alancalverd]

A very timely diversion, my friend.

The justice secretary Dominic Raab has been ruthlessly mocked online after his bizarre claim that the police ‘don’t normally look back and investigate things that have taken place a year ago’.......................Jess Phillips, the shadow minister for domestic violence, added: “Dominic Raab seemingly thinks he’s the justice secretary in Minority Report where only future crimes are of interest.”

Crime prevention (locks and fences) is normally passive and designed so as not to inconvenience legitimate activity. Dogs and laser-triggered guns are effective but find it difficult to distinguish criminal intent from faulty navigation. We really don't have much in between.

[alancalverd]

Weren't you the one who stated that the earth would be better off without people?

Absolutely so, but in the meantime people would be better off without using the term "a people". We should act as one collaborative tribe, not several snatch squads ruled by parasites. 

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Crime prevention (locks and fences) is normally passive and designed so as not to inconvenience legitimate activity. Dogs and laser-triggered guns are effective but find it difficult to distinguish criminal intent from faulty navigation. We really don't have much in between.

Massive public camera system with AI to correctly interpret the data will be an option to keep or restore order.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Weren't you the one who stated that the earth would be better off without people?

Absolutely so, but in the meantime people would be better off without using the term "a people". We should act as one collaborative tribe, not several snatch squads ruled by parasites. 

Should we collaborate to organize mass suicide to give the best thing to earth?
Why, or why not?

[alancalverd]

Should we collaborate to organize mass suicide to give the best thing to earth?
Why, or why not?

Because what is best for the rest of the planet is  not best for us. That is the whole point of this discussion: species are competitive for resources, and pollute their environment with their waste products. 

[alancalverd]

Massive public camera system with AI to correctly interpret the data will be an option to keep or restore order.

We should act as one collaborative tribe, not several snatch squads ruled by parasites. 

"Order" is always defined by the "haves", whether they are corrupt Tories, corrupt Communists, or individual criminals like Trump and Saddam Hussein.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Because what is best for the rest of the planet is  not best for us. That is the whole point of this discussion: species are competitive for resources, and pollute their environment with their waste products.

Why limit the group to species? Why not bigger or smaller group?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

"Order" is always defined by the "haves", whether they are corrupt Tories, corrupt Communists, or individual criminals like Trump and Saddam Hussein.

Is there a better alternative?
What good comes out of chaos?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I've mentioned many times before that moral values, rules, or standards are classified as memes. They must compete for media, which are the minds of conscious entities.
Good memes improve the survivability of their media, and vice versa. They can encourage their hosts to improve themselves, or jump/duplicate to better/newer hosts.

[alancalverd]

Why limit the group to species? Why not bigger or smaller group?

Because that is the largest known group that might not be internally competitive. Observation shows that species either compete with other species, predate on one another, or avoid contact altogether and occupy different ecological niches.

Always start navigating from where you are, so you don't get lost before you take off!

[alancalverd]

media, which are the minds of conscious entities

My grandmother used to cover the kitchen floor with newspaper in case the dog peed when she was out. One day I found her turning the pages over, because "he can't read but he likes to look at the pictures". I don't know of any other species that uses written or broadcast communication. 

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Because that is the largest known group that might not be internally competitive. Observation shows that species either compete with other species, predate on one another, or avoid contact altogether and occupy different ecological niches.

Why not choose smaller group? Is it because the larger, the better?
Competition for resource is less likely to happen when the parties involved need different kind of resources. Like between biological and non-biological entities.
Competition within species are likely to happen because they need the same resources. Especially when the demand exceeds the supply.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

media, which are the minds of conscious entities

My grandmother used to cover the kitchen floor with newspaper in case the dog peed when she was out. One day I found her turning the pages over, because "he can't read but he likes to look at the pictures". I don't know of any other species that uses written or broadcast communication. 

Human minds, and other conscious entities' minds, act as media for memes.
Pets have their own kind of memes. AI agents may have their own memes too.
Bees are known to use broadcast communication to direct bee workers to food location.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

"Order" is always defined by the "haves", whether they are corrupt Tories, corrupt Communists, or individual criminals like Trump and Saddam Hussein.

Is there a better alternative?
What good comes out of chaos?

Let me guess. The answer is no.
ISIS is an example of an entity came out of chaos in the region.

[alancalverd]

Why not choose smaller group?

If you are looking for a universal, you won't find it proven in a sample!

Pets have their own kind of memes.

. My point exactly.

[alancalverd]

ISIS is an example of an entity came out of chaos in the region.

ISIS, the Nazi party, and just about every other disgusting regime you can think of, including Pol Pot and Donald Trump, promised "order from chaos" and only benefitted those at the top of the pile.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

If you are looking for a universal, you won't find it proven in a sample!

A species is a sample.
We don't know how many species humans will branch out in distance future.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

ISIS is an example of an entity came out of chaos in the region.

ISIS, the Nazi party, and just about every other disgusting regime you can think of, including Pol Pot and Donald Trump, promised "order from chaos" and only benefitted those at the top of the pile.

People wouldn't fall into their promises if their lives were already in order.