[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Decisions in court of law are determined by the terminal goal set to their creation in the first place.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (?Hamas?) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:

Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.
My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

My Office submits there are reasonable grounds to believe that SINWAR, DEIF and HANIYEH are criminally responsible for the killing of hundreds of Israeli civilians in attacks perpetrated by Hamas (in particular its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades) and other armed groups on 7 October 2023 and the taking of at least 245 hostages. As part of our investigations, my Office has interviewed victims and survivors, including former hostages and eyewitnesses from six major attack locations: Kfar Aza; Holit; the location of the Supernova Music Festival; Be?eri; Nir Oz; and Nahal Oz. The investigation also relies on evidence such as CCTV footage, authenticated audio, photo and video material, statements by Hamas members including the alleged perpetrators named above, and expert evidence.

It is the view of my Office that these individuals planned and instigated the commission of crimes on 7 October 2023, and have through their own actions, including personal visits to hostages shortly after their kidnapping, acknowledged their responsibility for those crimes. We submit that these crimes could not have been committed without their actions. They are charged both as co-perpetrators and as superiors pursuant to Articles 25 and 28 of the Rome Statute.

[alancalverd]

They are expressing concern of where their money goes to.

Currently: subsidising incompetently-run railways, subsidising inefficient wind farms, bailing out incompetent bankers, contributing to the profits of a post office that first extorts from and then prosecutes its employees without evidence, direct payments to the profits of foreign-owned water companies that pollute the rivers and sea, excessive salaries to managers employed to privatise the National Health Service, compensation to ferry companies with no ships for being excluded from transport tenders, payments to relatives of ministers for Covid-related scams, Amazon and Google who don't pay tax on their UK operations....Next: paying inadequate and belated compensation to the victims of crooked US suppliers of infected blood products and their UK stooges.....

AFAIK most UK citizens make no contribution to Israel other than by buying fruit, and I see no protests about the treatment of Catalonian separatists by Spanish fruit-growers. Individuals who do contribute to Israel are, of course, mainly Jews, and you won't find many of us in these juvenile hate camps.

Students who object to their university having relations with Israel, Gaza, Russia, the USA, Cecil Rhodes, or whatever, are free to leave and take their money with them. They never do.

[alancalverd]

We submit that these crimes could not have been committed without their actions.

I hope this is a mistranslation and not a deliberate error. Obviously any or all of these crimes could have been committed by anyone, on the instigation of anyone else, but would they?

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

They are expressing concern of where their money goes to.

Currently: subsidising incompetently-run railways, subsidising inefficient wind farms, bailing out incompetent bankers, contributing to the profits of a post office that first extorts from and then prosecutes its employees without evidence, direct payments to the profits of foreign-owned water companies that pollute the rivers and sea, excessive salaries to managers employed to privatise the National Health Service, compensation to ferry companies with no ships for being excluded from transport tenders, payments to relatives of ministers for Covid-related scams, Amazon and Google who don't pay tax on their UK operations....Next: paying inadequate and belated compensation to the victims of crooked US suppliers of infected blood products and their UK stooges.....

AFAIK most UK citizens make no contribution to Israel other than by buying fruit, and I see no protests about the treatment of Catalonian separatists by Spanish fruit-growers. Individuals who do contribute to Israel are, of course, mainly Jews, and you won't find many of us in these juvenile hate camps.

Students who object to their university having relations with Israel, Gaza, Russia, the USA, Cecil Rhodes, or whatever, are free to leave and take their money with them. They never do.

You don't seem to distinguish between tax and tuition.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

We submit that these crimes could not have been committed without their actions.

I hope this is a mistranslation and not a deliberate error. Obviously any or all of these crimes could have been committed by anyone, on the instigation of anyone else, but would they?

The difference is whether they are done systemically, which makes the impacts more widespread than personal crimes.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Religious Fictionalism

Religious fictionalists argue that religion is false, but we should continue to use religious discourse and engage in religious practices. Religion is a useful fiction. This video outlines the motivation for religious fictionalism and then discusses some of the objections that have been raised against it.

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
― Seneca
This is especially true when the citizens are mostly consist of inadequately conscious persons, who can't make proper decisions and actions for long term results to the societies beyond their own lifetimes.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Morally Uncooperative Worlds

What if there are moral facts, but we can't enact them?

0:00 - Consequentialism
2:31 - Virtue ethics
4:21 - Kantianism
6:44 - Skeptical theism
10:21 - Antirealism to the rescue?
14:48 - Morality as action-guiding
20:00 - Methodism vs particularism

Decision making process, either in morality, economics, or process safety needs to consider uncertainty about the future. The risk of a particular hazard can be quantified as a product of probability times severity of that hazard in a specified time period. On positive side, the opportunity can also be quantified as a product of probability times benefits.

The universal terminal goal sets the direction of the universal moral compass, determine that our highest priority in making decisions is for the longest term of conceivable consequences. But our limitations in information collection and processing capacities introduce higher uncertainty as we consider longer term consequences. Thus we need to balance between less important but more certain short term consequences and more important but less certain long term consequences. In this regard, an accurate and precise virtual universe can help by reducing uncertainty for longer term consequences.

[alancalverd]

Since the existence of the observable universe is entirely due to its inherent indeterminacy, you seem to have painted yourself into a logical corner!

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Since the existence of the observable universe is entirely due to its inherent indeterminacy, you seem to have painted yourself into a logical corner!

Anyone who is adequately conscious to communicate publicly must have assumed the existence of the observable universe, at least at some point in their lives, and make decisions and actions based on that assumption. Otherwise, they won't live long enough to tell their stories.

[alancalverd]

No problem with the assumption. But you can't make an "accurate and precise" model of something that is necessarily indeterminate.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

No problem with the assumption. But you can't make an "accurate and precise" model of something that is necessarily indeterminate.

But we can model indeterminacy with probability. We have Bayesian statistics. That's how we have risk matrix analysis that is used to determine whether or not to release an operating license.

[alancalverd]

Risk analysis is OK when you can confine your hazard and tolerate any ripples outside the primary hazard. We do that (literally) with potential spills of radioactive material in a road accident: mop-up kit, road closure, etc.

But you can't extend the model to the entire universe. If the temporary road closure absorbs a fire engine (to clear up the spill instead of fighting a fire) and diverts an ambulance (resulting in the otherwise avoidable death of a heart attack patient wholly unconnected with the radiation incident) an inconvenience turns into a tragedy because every element  of the universe is connected with every other.

The best we can achieve is a generally tolerable level of risk, and experience shows us that sophisticated modelling can lead to really big disasters like crop failure, the Ford Edsel, and the British economy.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

The best we can achieve is a generally tolerable level of risk,

That's what I learned in process safety engineering.
I also learned 5 questions to ask and answer, not just at work, but also in any situations we may have to face.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

Distinguishing between the good and the bad requires setting the goal first. Otherwise, we'll be making https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

[alancalverd]

And the problem is often multiple, incompatible goals.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

And the problem is often multiple, incompatible goals.

When there are more than one incompatible goals, then at least one of them are incompatible with the universal terminal goal, at that particular time and situation. Which one is it, may not be deterministic, due to incomplete information.

[alancalverd]

I think you need to distinguish between goals, which are the intentions and aspirations of living things, and inevitabilities, which are determined by the laws of physics.

As living things have competitive goals, there can be no universal terminal goal.

Physics demands that ΔS > 0, so the heat death of the universe is inevitable, terminal and universal.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

I think you need to distinguish between goals, which are the intentions and aspirations of living things, and inevitabilities, which are determined by the laws of physics.

Since you've added requirement of living to define goal, you need to define living in the first place to communicate your idea.

[hamdani yusuf (OP)]

As living things have competitive goals, there can be no universal terminal goal.

Physics demands that ΔS > 0, so the heat death of the universe is inevitable, terminal and universal.

There are times when you said there is no universal terminal goal. While some other times you said there is one, ie the heat death of the universe. Have you made up your mind? You're looking like a confused man needing support and guidance.

[alancalverd]

The heat death of the universe doesn't meet your definition of a goal, but it is the universal and terminal outcome of which we can be certain.

Nothing that meets your definiton of a goal can be universal.