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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4140 on: 12/01/2025 15:54:02 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 12/01/2025 00:05:10
EV Curve Futurist reveals date that internal combusion will DIE in China
And the electric vehicles will be fuelled by coal, as at present. This makes sense as China has very little native oil, lots of coal, and a strong political incentive to energy independence.

Whilst the Nazis produced ersatz petroleum from coal, it is probably more efficient overall to use electricity as the intermediate, especially as useful idiots in the West are paying for the essential R&D for BEV transport.

Unfortunately as the Thatcher government destroyed the UK coal industry, this option is not available here.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4141 on: 14/01/2025 02:05:23 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 12/01/2025 15:54:02
And the electric vehicles will be fuelled by coal, as at present.
You don't seem to follow news that coal power plants are dying.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4142 on: 14/01/2025 02:11:40 »
The illusion of self and the illusion of free will, explained | Annaka Harris
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?Many people get stuck in feeling responsible for their psychological state, and there's a way in which simply being with whatever uncomfortable emotions rather than believing that you are controlling them can be extremely beneficial for psychological wellbeing.?

Are you actually in the driver?s seat of your own life? The illusion of free will says that our choices are determined by factors greater than our intentions and actions, that total conscious control is purely an illusion.

We may assume that  illusions like this have evolved for their usefulness, but most illusions that we experience are actually glitches, says bestselling author Annaka Harris.

Take for example the illusion of self ? the other side of the illusion of free will coin. We think of ourselves as solid, unchanging entities that move through time and space, separate from the rest of the physical world. This illusion confuses us about our place in nature, and the state of our reality.

Harris explores these two illusions and how they shape our everyday experience.

Even if free will is an illusion, it doesn't mean that moral rules and moral standards useless.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4143 on: 14/01/2025 23:03:55 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/01/2025 02:05:23
You don't seem to follow news that coal power plants are dying.
Not in China. And from now on, not in the USA either.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4144 on: 15/01/2025 10:18:37 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 14/01/2025 23:03:55
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 14/01/2025 02:05:23
You don't seem to follow news that coal power plants are dying.
Not in China. And from now on, not in the USA either.
Coal power stations losing billions - China?s coal-fired power boom is OVER

Coal power plant approvals in China crash as China adds 210GW of renewables

Former coal plants start new life as solar plants
Across the U.S., old coal plants are living out second lives. The sites, long a source of pollution, are now becoming resources for solar, renewable energy.

Hawaii's last coal power plant looking into green alternatives


60% of electricity in Spain comes from renewable energy

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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4145 on: 15/01/2025 12:16:10 »
Spain (or Hawaii, or Norway, for that matter) is not China. China is opening new coal-fired stations every year. Trump is determined to support the US coal and oil industries.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/302233/china-power-generation-by-source/ is interesting and shows the huge dependence of China on coal.

210GW installed renewable capacity will supply about 5% of China's current demand for electricity. And if they replace ICEs with BEVs, that demand will more than double. Plus, of course, the energy (mostly coal and gas) required to build all those BEVs.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4146 on: 15/01/2025 14:38:11 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 15/01/2025 12:16:10
Spain (or Hawaii, or Norway, for that matter) is not China.
The first two videos are about China.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4147 on: 16/01/2025 11:01:00 »
And the last three are not.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4148 on: 17/01/2025 12:38:43 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 16/01/2025 11:01:00
And the last three are not.
They are in USA and Spain.

The message is that coal power plants are becoming obsolete, following the fates of coal powered trains and ships.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4149 on: 17/01/2025 23:54:32 »
Except in China, where coal consumption continues to increase, and probably in the USA for the next 4 years where the incoming Diktator is scrapping environmental protection in order to Make America Gay Again, or whatever his slogan might be.

Trains and ships burn oil because it is more efficient than coal (or wind!)  But that decision was made a century ago. Henson's coal-powered Aerial Steam Carriage flew in 1848, a century after the Montgolfier brothers demonstrated their wood-fired balloon.

And today's electric cars burn gas because there isn't enough wind (average of 7 GW in the UK this week) or solar (0.3GW) to keep the lights on. The new nuclear power plant at Hinkley Point will never repay the fossil energy cost of its construction.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4150 on: 25/01/2025 00:26:14 »
The future of electric car charging is here; 600kw, no driver, robot charging

Lithium-sulfur battery breakthrough - 25,000 charge cycles with 80% capacity

You may wonder what do electrification videos have to do with morality. That's because our decision and action depend on what information we accepted as the accurate and reliable one. If you give good people bad information, they will make bad decisions.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4151 on: 25/01/2025 00:27:42 »
S-Curve modeling predicts half of world?s energy will come from solar by 2035

Solar & wind will quadruple to 14,000 terawatt hours by 2030 & crush fossil fuels

If our successors have any chance to build type 2 or type 3 civilization in Kardashev scale, they will inevitably need to refine their capabilities of capturing stellar energy. It is better be started sooner rather than later.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4152 on: 27/01/2025 09:16:45 »
Solar Energy Is Even Cheaper Than You Think | Jenny Chase | TED
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How prevalent is solar power, really? According to researcher Jenny Chase, it's already displacing fossil fuels in key energy markets around the world. She explains the rise of affordable solar power and dives into how her team tracked its rapid installation in unexpected countries, offering a vision of a brighter, more sustainable future. (Recorded at TED Countdown: Overcoming Dilemmas in the Green Transition on October 30th 2024)
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4153 on: 27/01/2025 09:23:59 »
News Corp attacks EVs with coordinated campaign of lies and propaganda
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4154 on: 04/02/2025 12:09:40 »
Derek Turner - Evolution and Morality
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Altruism, selfless concern for others, seems a challenge for evolution, as it seems the opposite of ?survival of the fittest.? Why then is altruism so important in evolutionary studies? How does animal altruism relate to human morality?

Derek Turner teaches philosophy at Connecticut College where he is also the Karla Heurich Harrison ?28 Director of the Goodwin-Niering Center for the Environment. He regularly teaches Introduction to Philosophy, Logic, Bioethics, Environmental Philosophy, Philosophy of Science, Philosophy of Biology, The Science and Ethics of Extinction, and Darwin.

An interesting and reasonable comment.
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A human body is composed of trillions of cells. Each cell is independent as well as having to work in coordination and cooperation with other cells. Independence indicates selfishness, while coordination and cooperation may require a moral set of rules.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4155 on: 04/02/2025 13:55:00 »
So biochemistry is the same as morality?

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Derek Turner teaches philosophy
so what did you expect?
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4156 on: 05/02/2025 01:56:25 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 04/02/2025 13:55:00
So biochemistry is the same as morality?
They have similarities, but not exactly the same.

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Derek Turner teaches philosophy
so what did you expect?
I expect the answer of currently mainstream philosophical position on morality.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4157 on: 05/02/2025 11:03:19 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 05/02/2025 01:56:25
I expect the answer of currently mainstream philosophical position on morality.
i.e. nothing of value.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4158 on: 05/02/2025 13:00:30 »
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I expect the answer of currently mainstream philosophical position on morality.
i.e. nothing of value.
We can learn from someone else's mistakes, and how they can be widespread in the past and current society. Also how to prevent them from being widespread in the future.
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Re: Is there a universal moral standard?
« Reply #4159 on: 06/02/2025 15:40:26 »
That's history, politics and engineering, not philosophy. Philosophy is all about insisting that everyone else is wrong.
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