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Re: The DOGMA of science........
« Reply #160 on: 12/12/2018 18:42:49 »
The word "bogie" has its origin in supernatural spirits, which is why it's closely related to the Russian word for God: bog (бог), so that could be considered worthy of high respect. In golf, perhaps the idea is that some unfriendly spirit is interfering with your game. How this ended up as a word describing something so low as the underparts of a train, I cannot imagine.
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Re: The DOGMA of science........
« Reply #161 on: 13/12/2018 01:35:13 »
Quote from: David Cooper on 12/12/2018 18:42:49
The word "bogie" has its origin in ...
You've been Googling again, lol.
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« Reply #162 on: 13/12/2018 06:08:52 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 11/12/2018 19:17:54
No problem imagining that someone might have thought, “Gee Bogie, you really nailed that Dark Energy post. You should use that when you explain Dark Matter …”.
To which I would say:
In the ISU model, the explanation of dark energy is an easy scenario, compared to the explanation of dark matter. But I’ll try to do it in about 1000 words; but don’t start counting until after we define dark matter:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dark-matter
Let’s use the above link as an OK source for the definition of dark matter. Here is the gist of the definitions:
 
  • Matter that emits little or no detectable radiation. Gravitational forces observed on many astronomical objects suggest the significant presence of such matter in the universe, accounting for approximately 23 percent of the total mass and energy of the universe. Its exact nature is not well understood, but it may be largely composed of varieties of subatomic particles that have not yet been discovered, as well as the mass of black holes and of stars too dim to observe. Also called missing mass.
  • A Closer Look: What is the universe made of? We know that galaxies consist of planets, stars, and huge gas and dust clouds-all of these objects are observable by the radiation they give off, such as radio, infrared, optical, ultraviolet, x-ray, or gamma-ray radiation, and all can be observed using various kinds of telescopes. But there are reasons to suspect the existence of far more matter than this, matter that is not directly observable. Evidence for such dark matter comes from observations of certain gravitational effects. For example, astronomers have found that galaxies rotate much faster than they would be expected to rotate based solely on their observable mass-in fact, they should be flying apart. One explanation for this apparent anomaly is to assume that the galaxies have much more mass than we can see, and this invisible mass holds them together gravitationally. Various theories of the composition of this invisible dark matter have been proposed, from exotic yet-to-be discovered particles to planet-sized objects made of ordinary matter that are too small or far away to be detected by present-day instruments. But none of these theories are entirely satisfactory, and the fundamental question of what makes up most of the universe remains unanswered.
[Start counting]
What they say is that there is not yet a generally accepted explanation for the observed “dark matter” defined above.


To introduce dark matter from the perspective of the ISU:
Another ISU poem (Maybe I’ll call it, “Bohemian Cosmology), using something borrowed, and something new:


The borrowed parts are in Bold


Is this the real life? https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/queen/bohemianrhapsody.html
Is this just fantasy?
Does Bogie spend his whole life,
Bemused by his cosmology :)


Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
From Places that you dare not hide,

To places that you cannot see.


Open your eyes,
You’ll see an in’fin’i’ty.
Look up to the skies and see,
Wave energy is … (wait for it) …spun’ gee!


Ok, not golden globes material I guess, so let’s move on to some key words in the ISU dark matter scenario:


Infinite, Eternal, Universe, Wave-energy, Quantized, Massive, Gravitational, Directional, Source, Imbalanced, Spongy, Convergences, Hints of Mass




1) The Infinite Spongy Universe consists of an infinite and eternal, multiple big bang arena action landscape.


2) The universe has always existed, and on a grand scale, is essentially the same now as it has always been and will always be.


3) Space is infinite, and is filled with an infinite amount of wave-energy.


4) Light waves and gravitational waves carry energy directionally through space, direct from the source, to every spherical point within the infinite reach of gravity (barring natural interruptions).


5) Light waves, i.e., electromagnetic radiation, is wave-energy emitted by photons at frequencies that range across the electromagnetic spectrum (photons have mass in the ISU).


6) Gravitational radiation, is wave-energy emitted by all occurrences of mass, including wave-particles, objects composed of wave-particles, and all sub-quantum convergences of wave-energy that intersect/overlap in open space (Those open-space convergences, called momentary high energy density spots, aka hints of mass, are the dark matter).


7) Each wave convergence, regardless of size (and they range from the tiniest wave convergences in the oscillating background of space, to the big bang arenas waves that play out across the landscape of the greater universe), has a momentary mass effect (some moments are longer than others, lol).


8 ) Gravitational waves are coming and going, to and from all directions, everywhere in space, giving each point in space a net energy value equal to the sum of all energy carried to that spot by waves that converge at that point. Therefore, the energy value at each point in space varies in intensity, depending on the directional distribution of the distant massive source objects that are emitting the gravitational waves that are converging at that point.


9) It is important to emphasize that there is a directional aspect to the inflowing gravitational waves that arrive at each point in space. That directional inflow of wave-energy that is arriving at every point in space, points to a distant massive source from which the wave energy originated.


10) It is just as important to note that there is a net directional imbalance to the inflowing gravitational wave-energy arriving at each point in space. That net directional imbalance points toward the net highest directional source of gravitational wave-energy arriving at that point from all distant sources.


11) With those things being said, in the ISU model, mass is quantized, and the presence of mass is represented by the number of quanta contained in the particles that make up the massive objects.


12) The wave-energy content of each of those quanta is continually being refreshed. There is a continual spherical out flow of gravitational wave-energy from fundamental particles generated by the jointly pulsing action of the mass of quanta that the particle is composed of, and jointly, that the object is made up of; pulses are out flowing spherical waves, and the energy emitted must be replaced from the energy arriving from all directions from the gravitational wave-energy density profile of space.


13) Quanta are simply the high energy density spots that make the momentary convergences of the directionally inflowing gravitational waves, and the value of the energy that qualifies as local convergence to be a quantum of energy is governed by the exchange rate between the out flowing and inflowing gravitational wave-energy of the size required to be utilized by the wave structure at the surface of the wave-particle or object (I am willing to offer a few thousand more words to clarify that point, upon request) (I feel safe that I won’t be called upon to do that).


14) Space is filled with these convergences, both as quanta within objects with mass, and convergences occurring in the space surrounding all massive objects, whether in the vicinity of a massive object or at a distance, and there is no limit to the distance that a convergence can be separated from the massive object in question, because the out flowing wave energy has an infinite reach through space.


15) Dark matter consists of the wave-energy convergences popping in and out of existence, that each have a hint of mass. They are frequent occurrences, virtual particles, everywhere in space. The local density of the convergences that make up what is referred to as dark matter varies, relative to the net value of the energy making up the mass at all different distances from the point in question, because each convergence has sources from all directions, at various distances, and the relative intensity of the waves from those sources is variable.
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Re: The DOGMA of science........
« Reply #163 on: 13/12/2018 08:40:02 »
Sorry Bogie, you lost me at "the explanation of dark energy is an easy scenario"
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« Reply #164 on: 13/12/2018 08:45:57 »
When somebody explains something by saying this is "simply" this, it does not make it any easier to understand. You must be a genius to think this is simple. I think I need a whole four years of physics to understand that.
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« Reply #165 on: 13/12/2018 12:55:11 »
@ATMD, It was under 1000 words, and lots of them were used multiple times. Give me an example of something difficult in the dark matter scenario. Waves carrying energy converge in space, form "spots" of energy density that have a hint of mass, and all of those tiny hints of mass add up to cause the "missing mass" effect attributed to some mysterious dark matter. What could be easier? I'm smiling when I say that, lol.


Did you recognize the Freddy Mercury lyrics? I’m calling the new ISU poem, “Bohemian Cosmology”. I like the bohemian nature of the ISU.
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« Reply #166 on: 13/12/2018 13:21:40 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 13/12/2018 12:55:11
@ATMD, It was under 1000 words, and lots of them were used multiple times. Give me an example of something difficult in the dark matter scenario. Waves carrying energy converge in space, form "spots" of energy density that have a hint of mass, and all of those tiny hints of mass add up to cause the "missing mass" effect attributed to some mysterious dark matter. What could be easier? I'm smiling when I say that, lol.


Did you recognize the Freddy Mercury lyrics? I’m calling the new ISU poem, “Bohemian Cosmology”. I like the bohemian nature of the ISU.

Hahaha  :D

I tried to understand the dark energy explanation believe me, you totally fused those Freddie Mercury lyrics with some Bogie poem, that was brilliant, great job! Are you sure you're not a scientist and a poet ?

Looking forward to some more of your poems, not so much on the dark energy theory, that part went right over my head whooooosh!

I promise you I will give it another shot, let my head rest a bit :)
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« Reply #167 on: 13/12/2018 13:28:58 »
If you like Bohemian Cosmology, there is still some hope for you in the ISU!
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« Reply #168 on: 13/12/2018 13:39:27 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 13/12/2018 13:28:58
If you like Bohemian Cosmology, there is still some hope for you in the ISU!

I have to try, don't hog all the intelligence, I need some too, I could use it to impress the chicks lol
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« Reply #169 on: 13/12/2018 13:49:38 »
Quote from: ATMD on 13/12/2018 13:39:27
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 13/12/2018 13:28:58
If you like Bohemian Cosmology, there is still some hope for you in the ISU!

I have to try, don't hog all the intelligence, I need some too, I could use it to impress the chicks lol
Now you tell me.

You are welcome to anything you can pick up from me, but it is best to avoid contact, lol; viruses and bad habits, you know.
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« Reply #170 on: 13/12/2018 13:51:43 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 13/12/2018 13:49:38
Quote from: ATMD on 13/12/2018 13:39:27
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 13/12/2018 13:28:58
If you like Bohemian Cosmology, there is still some hope for you in the ISU!

I have to try, don't hog all the intelligence, I need some too, I could use it to impress the chicks lol
Now you tell me.

You are welcome to anything you can pick up from me, but it is best to avoid contact, lol; viruses and bad habits, you know.

Perfect  :)
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« Reply #171 on: 13/12/2018 14:46:50 »
@ATMD Thanks for appreciating my poetry. Sometimes I just can’t stop, lol.



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« Reply #172 on: 13/12/2018 16:16:41 »
i'm all kind of teary and choked up. :)
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« Reply #173 on: 13/12/2018 16:34:13 »
Quote from: jimbobghost on 13/12/2018 16:16:41
i'm all kind of teary and choked up. :)
That’s great.

I just pushed the Actions button, an then Reply, and can now post a response, which is, “Lol”.
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« Reply #174 on: 13/12/2018 16:56:14 »
I knew you were talented. Thank you Bogiesmiles, your poetry was brilliant!  :)

Btw Bogie, I have given that ISU model another look, if the universe has always existed, is there a place for God? Or is the idea of God similar to pantheism?
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« Reply #175 on: 13/12/2018 17:17:58 »
please don't distract the man from his artistic pursuits...he may be taking a break to let his brain cool down.
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« Reply #176 on: 13/12/2018 17:24:06 »


Quote from: ATMD on 13/12/2018 16:56:14
I knew you were talented. Thank you Bogiesmiles, your poetry was brilliant!  :)


Btw Bogie, I have given that ISU model another look, if the universe has always existed, is there a place for God? Or is the idea of God similar to pantheism?
There is room for God, there is room for Pantheism, and all. A resident of the ISU has freewill to exercise as they see fit, to the extent they can actually keep it and exercise it in real life (subject to the local rule of law, taxes, spouses, etc. lol).
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« Reply #177 on: 13/12/2018 17:27:26 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 13/12/2018 17:24:06


Quote from: ATMD on 13/12/2018 16:56:14
I knew you were talented. Thank you Bogiesmiles, your poetry was brilliant!  :)


Btw Bogie, I have given that ISU model another look, if the universe has always existed, is there a place for God? Or is the idea of God similar to pantheism?
There is room for God, there is room for Pantheism, and all. A resident of the ISU has freewill to exercise as they see fit, to the extent they can actually keep it and exercise it in real life (subject to the local rule of law, taxes, spouses, etc. lol).


Wow, that is extremely reasonable! I am an official believer of ISU :)
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« Reply #178 on: 13/12/2018 17:35:47 »
And the annual dues are reasonable, too! In fact, you aren’t allowed to leave the ISU, let alone get rejected. :)
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« Reply #179 on: 13/12/2018 17:36:49 »
Quote from: Bogie_smiles on 13/12/2018 17:35:47
And the annual dues are reasonable, too! In fact, you aren’t allowed to leave the ISU, let alone get rejected. :)

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