[Bored chemist]

It's a lump of stuff that you hit and it rings.
How do you define "tuning fork"?

[mad aetherist (OP)]

It's a lump of stuff that you hit and it rings.How do you define "tuning fork"?

A tuning fork has two identical arms like an extended horseshoe but with the arms straight & parallel. The paperwork that came with your oscillator will probly say if its a tuning fork kind etc. 
But if it is a tuning fork kind but the frequency is not based on the simple tuning fork equation but is based on some kind of overtone etc then that would change the relevant equation.  In any case the proper generic equation should involve 3 dimensions, ie L W D.  But one dimension (the most critical dimension) would be better than nothing. Here i dont mean the actual mm of the crystal, i dont need to know that, i need to know whether it is L or W or D, & even here i dont need to know that, i need to know the power X^p of at least the one critical dimension, ie whether p is -1 or 1 or 2 or something else.

[Bored chemist]

The paperwork that came with your oscillator will probly say if its a tuning fork kind etc. 

LOL

[mad aetherist (OP)]

The paperwork that came with your oscillator will probly say if its a tuning fork kind etc. 

LOL

Why not look it up on their website.

[Bored chemist]

The paperwork that came with your oscillator will probly say if its a tuning fork kind etc. 

LOL

Why not look it up on their website.

Because I got it from some cheapo site via  ebay.

[guest39538]

the centrifuged aether.

It is not a centrifugal aether !

The interwoven 5 dimensional manifold of the space-time energy binary field is expanding by the  applied external force from outer space   . The process involved is the transitional state of energy , high energy to lower energy state position .

The interwoven 5 dimensional binary interior field being the carrier of traversing energy ,

[mad aetherist (OP)]

the centrifuged aether.

It is not a centrifugal aether !
The interwoven 5 dimensional manifold of the space-time energy binary field is expanding by the  applied external force from outer space. The process involved is the transitional state of energy , high energy to lower energy state position .
The interwoven 5 dimensional binary interior field being the carrier of traversing energy ,

All of that might be perfectly true, but it appears that somehow time & ticking got left behind, it might be sitting somewhere between outer space & the manifold.
For sure the space-time energy binary field is expanding, & this must happen with any spinning wheel including DePalma's wheel, but i say that it is the aether that is (applying that there external force from outer space by) centrifuging itself.

[Bored chemist]

the centrifuged aether.

It is not a centrifugal aether !

The interwoven 5 dimensional manifold of the space-time energy binary field is expanding by the  applied external force from outer space   . The process involved is the transitional state of energy , high energy to lower energy state position .

The interwoven 5 dimensional binary interior field being the carrier of traversing energy ,

None of that actually makes any sense

[guest39538]

the centrifuged aether.

It is not a centrifugal aether !
The interwoven 5 dimensional manifold of the space-time energy binary field is expanding by the  applied external force from outer space. The process involved is the transitional state of energy , high energy to lower energy state position .
The interwoven 5 dimensional binary interior field being the carrier of traversing energy ,

All of that might be perfectly true, but it appears that somehow time & ticking got left behind, it might be sitting somewhere between outer space & the manifold.
For sure the space-time energy binary field is expanding, & this must happen with any spinning wheel including DePalma's wheel, but i say that it is the aether that is (applying that there external force from outer space by) centrifuging itself.

The force at work is simple thermodynamics and the transitional state of field energy , 

[guest39538]

the centrifuged aether.

It is not a centrifugal aether !

The interwoven 5 dimensional manifold of the space-time energy binary field is expanding by the  applied external force from outer space   . The process involved is the transitional state of energy , high energy to lower energy state position .

The interwoven 5 dimensional binary interior field being the carrier of traversing energy ,

None of that actually makes any sense

Like I've told you before Mr Chemist , you don't understand physics .  Perhaps you should stick to being a Chemist although that is far more complex than physics .

[Bored chemist]

The force at work is simple thermodynamics and the transitional state of field energy , 

As usual, that's word salad.

Like I've told you before Mr Chemist , you don't understand physics . 

That's not what my exam results said.
What did yours say?

[guest39538]

The force at work is simple thermodynamics and the transitional state of field energy , 

As usual, that's word salad.

Like I've told you before Mr Chemist , you don't understand physics . 

That's not what my exam results said.
What did yours say?

Exam results only means you have remembered what they told you to remember or you would fail .  Do you really think having a piece of paper makes you smart in some way or makes your understanding of physics any better than mine ?

I've advanced physics , I understand better than you .  Take this up with me in the 5d model thread , why not let yourself learn something for once .

[Bored chemist]

Do you really think having a piece of paper makes you smart in some way or makes your understanding of physics any better than mine ?

No.
It's the other way round.
I think that being smart makes me have good exam results and gets me the bit of paper.

Is there any evidence that you are not an idiot?

[Bored chemist]

OK,  I came across some chap quartz crystals on eBay.
So I bought some  + dissolved the packaging from one.
Here's a picture. It's not easy to take a good photograph but that's a mm scale next to it. it's anbouth 1 mm by 5mm and about 0.5mm thick
It nominally oscillates at 32768 Hz.

What effect on that frequency would you expect from the ether wind?

[mad aetherist (OP)]

OK,  I came across some chap quartz crystals on eBay.
So I bought some  + dissolved the packaging from one.
Here's a picture. It's not easy to take a good photograph but that's a mm scale next to it. it's about 1 mm by 5mm and about 0.5mm thick.
It nominally oscillates at 32768 Hz.
What effect on that frequency would you expect from the ether wind?

Yes the prongs look to be 3mm long by 0.44mm thick by u say 0.5mm wide.
Anyhow the macro  ticking dilation would be as per my #25 on page 2 (copy below). This applies to all tuning forks of plain design.  Beware, what i called D (depth) i probly should hav called W (width).
My calcs show how many days would be needed for the ticking to lose 1 sec, based on a change in the aetherwind of 500 kmps blowing along L (the length of the tuning fork), or blowing along W, or along D (no change in ticking).
The apparent change in aetherwind would be carried out by rotating the tuning fork by say 90 deg to a new angle.
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Further to my #22.   I now calculate the macro ticking dilation for a tuning fork.
The velocity of the aetherwind blowing throo a tuning fork contracts the dimension parallel to the wind by the LLC gamma where gamma is (1-VV/cc)^0.5.   For 500 kmps gamma is 0.999 998 609.
The equation for the frequency of a tuning fork says that freq is possibly affected by five things....

Length.  Freq is proportional to 1/LL.  If L shortens to XL (where X is gamma) then we can say that F1 is proportional to  1/XX which is  X^(-2).
Width. Freq is proportional to the width W of each of the two prongs, if the wind blows across the width in the plane of the width then  W narrows to  WX  & we can say that F2 is proportional to  X^(1).
Depth.  The wind can contract the depth D by X, but the depth does not affect freq.
In LWD above i have ignored the base that joins the two prongs, a thin base will affect the above. 
Density.  Freq is proportional to the density of the steel of the fork per (density)^(0.5) & for any & all directions of  the wind the density increases by  X & we can say that F3 is proportional to  X^(0.5).
Young's Modulus.  Freq is proportional to  E per E^(0.5) & if we assume that E is proportional to the density then for any & all directions of the wind we can say that F4 is proportional to X^(-0.5).

F1234  all depend on the orientation of the fork in relation to the wind. There are say three cardinal winds, along L, across W, & across D, & each wind will have its own values for F1234.   And the resultant change in frequency for each wind is proportional to the product  F1*F2*F3*F4  for that wind.   The background wind blows throo Earth at say 500 kmps.   The fork's real natural frequency (absolute or true natural frequency) is realized when the wind is zero kmps.  A 500 kmps wind will according to my calculations give an actual frequency as per the following table.

kmps      gamma X       f1        f2           f3       f4            f1*f2*f3*f4    f1*f2*f3*f4               days for 1sec   
500.00   0.999998609   X^-2  X^0.5   1.00   X^-0.5         X^-2       1.00002782         L       4.16    gain
500.00   0.999998609   1.00    X^0.5   X^1   X^-0.5         X^1       0.999998609       W       8.32    loss
500.00   0.999998609   1.00    X^0.5  1.00   X^-0.5        1.00      1.000000000         D     no effect   

DePalma said that above the axle of his spinning wheel his tuning fork watch suffered a loss of  0.9 sec in 1000 sec (ie 16.67 minutes).  My calculations show it takes days to lose or gain 1 sec if the wind is 500 kmps (ie c/600), & i calculate that  DePalma's wheel had to have produced a wind of  10,000 kmps (ie c/30), which is not believable.  I doubt that a spinning wheel can produce an axial aetherwind of any more than say 10 kmps or 100 kmps tops.
DePalma said that the watch lost most time when orientated as per W.  But my calcs show that L has most effect, & this is a gain not a loss.  Note that L can be towards the wheel or away, makes no difference to my TD.

According to Lorentz & Co (& according to Einstein) the fork (& every other kind of macro clock)(except pendulum etc) is slowed by only gamma (ie X^1) for any & all directions of wind (or in Einstein's case due to relative speed)(he said that the wind was superfluous), ie they would agree with a loss of 1 sec in 8.32 days in every case.
But their ticking dilation is LTD, whereas mine might be called TD.  TD depends on........
(1) the kind of clock (tuning fork, balance wheel, pendulum etc), & it depends on
(2) the design of the clock (size & dimensions), & it also depends on
(3) the orientation of the clock in the wind (or if u like u can say that it depends on the velocity of the wind).

LTD applies only to micro clocks, eg atomic clocks.  My macro TD doesnt i think apply to micro clocks, but it applies to all macro clocks.   Nextly i will have a think about the TD suffered by a balance clock.
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[Bored chemist]

I will think about how to measure it.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

I will think about how to measure it.

A few things. As i hav sayd before, my numbers are based on a change of 500 kmps.  U kood get this size of change in a lab if u firstly found the alignment of the aetherwind. And this will be swinging around during a sidereal day. 
And the problem is the fixed lab clock. The ticking of the lab clock will be changing during the day, if it is a macro clock. But if it is a micro clock, an atomic clock, then its ticking rate will be almost uniform during a  day, varying slightly due to the changing size of the aetherwind (direction aint important for a micro clock), & varying slightly due to the changing gravity (due mainly to the direction to the Sun)(the angle of the micro clock aint important)(the angle to the Sun is important, koz of Earth's spin)(its an Einsteinian thing).

[Bored chemist]

Do you realise that you can measure the frequency of a watch crystal (to a precision equivalent to a second in 8 days) in a few seconds?
I can, in principle, measure the frequency in several different orientations in under a minute.
The Earth's path through the ether doesn't change much in a minute.
Even better I can compare the frequency of two crystals mounted at right angles (so the "tuning forks" look like a C and a U)
If I turn the pair of crystals round there should be relative changes in frequency if the path through the ether matters.
That change should be easy to measure.

What will you do if/ when my experiment shows no change in frequency with orientation?

[mad aetherist (OP)]

Do you realise that you can measure the frequency of a watch crystal (to a precision equivalent to a second in 8 days) in a few seconds?
I can, in principle, measure the frequency in several different orientations in under a minute.
The Earth's path through the ether doesn't change much in a minute.
Even better I can compare the frequency of two crystals mounted at right angles (so the "tuning forks" look like a C and a U).
If I turn the pair of crystals round there should be relative changes in frequency if the path through the ether matters.
That change should be easy to measure.
What will you do if/ when my experiment shows no change in frequency with orientation?

Ok but it haztabe an old style tuning fork crystal clock.  Turn it to all angles in the horizontal & vertical & in between, to find the orientation that makes the biggest difference.

The lab  reference clock needs to be fixed. Preferably it would be an atomic clock. But any accurate clock would do.

As u say, a slow longish term experiment would be problematic koz of spin-orbit gravity changes & spin-orbit aetherwind changes, which might affect the two clocks differently. Atomic clocks aint affected by orientation, but macro clocks are (eg tuning forks).

If the manufacturers are smart they might have incorporated some kind of remedial circuitry to compensate for the "known" orientation-error. For example if they used 3 crystals instead of 1, & fixed the 3 at 90deg to each other, then their ave ticking wouldnt change with orientation.

If such an  experiment duznt show the kind of ticking dilation that i claim then either i am wrong or there aint no such thing as length contraction.

[Bored chemist]

Do you realise this sort of thing

haztabe

As u say

koz

duznt

makes you look stupid?

Anyway, as I said, I took the sort of crystal they use in digital watches and washed away the packaging.
There's only 1 tuning fork.
So stuff like this

For example if they used 3 crystals instead of 1, & fixed the 3 at 90deg to each other, then their ave ticking wouldnt change with orientation.

is a fantasy.

These watches have been around since (at least ) the 70s but the microelectronic technology needed to determine orientation  WRT  Earth's gravity (never mind the rest of the Universe) is much newer.
So we know that this "

If the manufacturers are smart they might have incorporated some kind of remedial circuitry to compensate for the "known" orientation-error.

is also impossible.