[mad aetherist (OP)]

These watches have been around since (at least ) the 70s but the microelectronic technology needed to determine orientation  WRT  Earth's gravity (never mind the rest of the Universe) is much newer.
So we know that this "

If the manufacturers are smart they might have incorporated some kind of remedial circuitry to compensate for the "known" orientation-error.

is also impossible.

What micro electronic technology? A fishing sinker on a string would do the trick. I fail to see why (in silly standard science) some clocks might need to know which way is up. Am i missing something?

[Bored chemist]

I fail to see why (in silly standard science) some clocks might need to know which way is up. Am i missing something?

In reality, they don't.
But, in your bizzare world where they have to take account of the ether wind, they need to know what direction that wind is blowing.
The first step in that process would be to establish which way is up.

What micro electronic technology? A fishing sinker on a string would do the trick.

You think there's room for a plumb line and a mechanism to measure and allow for its position  in a wristwatch?

No, there is plainly not.
So there's no way that any watch could do what you said it would.
This "If the manufacturers are smart they might have incorporated some kind of remedial circuitry to compensate for the "known" orientation-error." is delusional.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

I fail to see why (in silly standard science) some clocks might need to know which way is up. Am i missing something?

In reality, they don't.
But, in your bizzare world where they have to take account of the ether wind, they need to know what direction that wind is blowing. The first step in that process would be to establish which way is up.

What micro electronic technology? A fishing sinker on a string would do the trick.

You think there's room for a plumb line and a mechanism to measure and allow for its position  in a wristwatch? No, there is plainly not. So there's no way that any watch could do what you said it would.
This "If the manufacturers are smart they might have incorporated some kind of remedial circuitry to compensate for the "known" orientation-error." is delusional.

Yes ok in that case i go along with the need to know the direction etc of the aetherwind & of gravity. In  the sense that a good clock should have a sticker with its rated orientation re aetherwind & gravitational potential (or elevation or something). But it would be better if the clock had an auto correction built in.

[Bored chemist]

In  the sense that a good clock should have a sticker with its rated orientation re aetherwind

And yet they don't.
Don't you understand how good clocks are?
This -clearly macroscopic- clock keeps much better time than you  say is possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt%E2%80%93Synchronome_clock

(And if anyone wins the lottery and wants to buy me a present, I'd really like one of those clocks.)

[mad aetherist (OP)]

In  the sense that a good clock should have a sticker with its rated orientation re aetherwind

And yet they don't. Don't you understand how good clocks are?
This -clearly macroscopic- clock keeps much better time than you  say is possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt%E2%80%93Synchronome_clock
(And if anyone wins the lottery and wants to buy me a present, I'd really like one of those clocks.)

Yes they do. The Shortt pendulum clock now has sticker saying that the clock is sensitive to gravity, ie the orientation of Sun & Moon, ie the size & direction of the aetherwind, just like i sayd.........
[WIKILEAKS] Recent accuracy measurement
In 1984 Pierre Boucheron studied the accuracy of a Shortt clock preserved at the US Naval Observatory.[3][18] Using modern optical sensors which detected the precise time of passage of the pendulum without disturbing it, he compared its rate to an atomic clock for a month. He found that it was stable to 200 microseconds per day (2.31 ppb), equivalent to an error rate of one second in 12 years, far more accurate than the 1 second per year that was previously measured. His data revealed the clock was so sensitive it was detecting the slight changes in gravity due to tidal distortions in the solid Earth caused by the gravity of the Sun and Moon.[19]

I could make an Excel table to calculate the effect of aetherwind on a pendulum. It wouldnt be simple, koz the pendulum changes angle every swing (plus u have the + or - kmps of each swing).  The max effect would be when the wind blew straight along the pendulum at the end of one swing, in which case the length contraction would be a max, & then the LC would be a min at the end of the opposit swing.  The time for the first half of the swing would be different to the time in the 2nd half. This swing timing defect wouldnt show up in ordinary calibrations (& they probly knew that).

They said slight changes in gravity. Yes, that is a half of the answer. It is due to Einstein's potential energy gravity stuff, ie its affect on LC of the pendulum. But the other half involves the velocity of the aetherwind, & i wouldnt call this a gravity thing, gravity is due to the acceleration of the aetherwind, LC is due to the velocity at that instant.

The problem with pendulum clocks is related to the problem with big G. Varyus  teams around the world report values for big G varying by up to 0.7%. Big G at any one location also varys with time. They dont know why. I do know.

[Bored chemist]

orientation of Sun & Moon, i

The moon....
But the Moon's in orbit around us- not the other way.
It makes sense for any hypothetical  effect of the ether to vay on a daily or yearly basis because those are teh periodicities with which we make or way through the universe.
But the Moon pretty much just swings round us.
So, the fact that those clocks record the effect of tides, but not of the year, shows that you are wrong.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

orientation of Sun & Moon, i

The moon.... But the Moon's in orbit around us- not the other way.
It makes sense for any hypothetical  effect of the ether to vay on a daily or yearly basis because those are teh periodicities with which we make or way through the universe.
But the Moon pretty much just swings round us. So, the fact that those clocks record the effect of tides, but not of the year, shows that you are wrong.

Yes having had another think about it u are correct here. Pendulums are affected by the plumbline, ie by any change in the vertical (due to Moon etc).  And this will also hav a  tidal component, or 2 or more tidal components, including the changing shape of solid Earth (tides), & the changing shape etc of surface water (tides), & changing shape of atmosphere (tides).

Changes in plumb being a different & additional effect to the LC effects that are the main question.  And changes in plumb probly only really come up in that way with pendulums & not with other clocks.

[Bored chemist]

The big effect of the moon is that the tides pull the Earth's surface up towards it (jusa as they do with the sea).
That takes the clock further from the centre of the Earth and that reduces the local value of the acceleration due to gravity.
That, in turn, messes with the clock.

No need to invoke relativity or ether.
(There are relativistic effects, but they are small)

[mad aetherist (OP)]

The big effect of the moon is that the tides pull the Earth's surface up towards it (just as they do with the sea).
That takes the clock further from the centre of the Earth and that reduces the local value of the acceleration due to gravity.
That, in turn, messes with the clock. No need to invoke relativity or ether. (There are relativistic effects, but they are small).

Yes i go along with most of that. Distance from center of Earth is a factor, but this must be trumped by the nett gravity due to Moon & Sun, which is paramount.
Actually, there is a subtle effect here (that only i know). The nett gravity is not really the answer. The answer is the overall gravity, ie the total or gross gravity. This means that u need to add all gravitational potential energys, to find the new speed of light at that location (in general accord with Einstein's idea).

Here i need to add one more explanation (that only i know), that u & i might talk of the speed of light, but the speed of light has allmost zero to do with any thing in physics, what we are really talking about, whether we know it or knot, is the speed of em  radiation, ie the speed of photaenos, not the speed of light. In the Lorentz gamma, c is the speed of photaenos, not light (but uzually i am too lazy to bother mentioning)(but today i have mentioned)(& i can explain, but today i am too lazy)(but i have explained in other threads)(search "photaeno").

[mad aetherist (OP)]

Speaking of ground tides, here is some wordage of mine from another thread re Courvoisier's work (one of my heroes) ..............................

Courvoisier of course discovered Earth's ground tide, here i mean the ground tide due to Lorentz Length Contraction, this is a twice per sidereal day thing, Lorentz LC changes the Earth's shape, Earth is flattened square to the aetherwind, the shape doesnt change but what changes is that (because Earth's spin-axis is at 20 deg or even 23 deg to the wind) the theusofa gets closer & later further from the spin-axis during each sidereal day, as theusofa moves throo the Lorentz LC's flattening.
 
The Lorentz LC-tide is in addition to the Moon-tide, the Moon-tide too affects Earth's shape due to centrifugal force etc, & here the tidal flattening is on a different angle to the Lorentz LC-flattening & has two lumps whereas the Lorentz LC-flattening has no lumps (but theusofa thinks there are two lumps due to Earth's misaligned spin-axis). Courvoisier simply used a very accurate plumbbob line to measure the Lorentz LC-tide (& the Moon-tide). A genius. He measured the aetherwind about 8 different ways, ie using different kinds of experiments. I will look for details later.
 
By the way, the Lorentz LC-tide must be a reason for Mercury's 43 arcsec per century advance of perihelion. U heard it hear first. Einstein's GR reason is of course complete krapp. Its the Sun's Lorentz LC-tide not Mercury's, Mercury has almost zero spin & thusly almost zero Lorentz LC-tide, but the Sun has a whopper.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

orientation of Sun & Moon, i

The moon....
But the Moon's in orbit around us- not the other way. It makes sense for any hypothetical  effect of the ether to vay on a daily or yearly basis because those are teh periodicities with which we make or way through the universe.
But the Moon pretty much just swings round us. So, the fact that those clocks record the effect of tides, but not of the year, shows that you are wrong.

Mention of the Moon of course brings us back full circle to the topic of this thread, the centrifuging of aether.
Aether is sucked in to Earth due to Earth's spin (due to centrifugal inertia). This is in addition to aether being sucked in to Earth due to the annihilation of aether in mass (giving us proper gravity).
In addition aether is sucked in to the Earth & the Moon due to the Moon's orbit (due to centrifugal inertia).

The velocity of the centrifuged aether inflow affects length contraction.
The acceleration of the centrifuged aether inflow affects apparent gravity (it is a pseudo gravity), & it adds to proper gravity.

But u  can get the gist of this stuff if u read my OP & some of the replys eg #11 #12  #13 etc on page1.

[Bored chemist]

here is some wordage of mine from another thread

And it wasn't convincing the first time.

[mad aetherist (OP)]

here is some wordage of mine from another thread

And it wasn't convincing the first time.

But even Einsteinians like yourself must believe that the Earth's shape is affected by length contraction due to Earth's spin (ie in addition to ordinary centrifugal strains & tidal effects).

Here the Einsteinian LC would result in a shape that was symmetrical about the axis.
The aetherist LC would result in a shape that was not symmetrical about the axis, due to the aetherwind blowing at say 20  deg off the axis. Therefore some strange things happen to little g & big G & a few other things during each sidereal day, in addition to some strange things happening during each year.

[Bored chemist]

But even Einsteinians like yourself must believe that the Earth's shape is affected by length contraction due to Earth's spin

And every time I try to measure them I run into a problem.
My ruler contracts to exactly the extent needed to compensate.

[Bored chemist]

Just to let folk know; I'm still thinking about doing the experiment with tuning fork shaped quartz crystals.

I doubt anyone is taking bets on the outcome.

[EddieSWog]

The permeability and permittivity of space are most likely dependent on the underlying random quantum foam/carrier of the electromagnetic field. Many aether theories exist, which have been discredited, because they are trying to detect a none randomly orientated permanent medium, which will give differing results if measured from different angles. A completely randomly orientated aether with constant pressure only existing momentarily in the form of quantum froth, is workable and would not be detected by the Michelson Morley experiment. Defining the aether, as quantum foam/froth which either allows photons to pass, or be absorbed and reemitted as they pass through the electromagnetic field/quantum foam is workable.  If I read you right above, this is where you are headed YES/NO ? EDIT the around MASSES would the electromagnetic medium density be reduced as in Cahills approach with Quantum foam inflow.

[Bored chemist]

Defining the aether, as quantum foam/froth which either allows photons to pass, or be absorbed and reemitted as they pass through the electromagnetic field/quantum foam is workable. 

It may be workable. Is it helpful?
Does it offer a solution to any outstanding problems?