[yor_on]

Well Bogie, we all have a tendency to get of track as we feel we're onto something. The New Theories section is more forgiving in that manner. The idea here seems to be that we should try for informing, trying to stay inside the accepted physics borders, more than presenting new ideas (speculating).

[Bogie_smiles]

I think you put your finger on it. Informing seems to be the key word, thanks.


Here is an informative video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7C9TjdziPE
Inflation and the universe

[Bill S]

One can only guess there can never be any evidence.

This is true, but the absence of any real explanation of how something could come from nothing, must be a fairly strong argument for there having been "something" before the BB.

[Bill S]

Just something to mull over.

For the moment, forget about mathematics, we’ll come to that later.

Something must always have existed.  Let’s call that “something” the cosmos.
The cosmos (everything that is, or ever can be) is infinite, unchanging and indivisible.
If the cosmos is indivisible; everything that we might consider as a part of the cosmos, is the cosmos.

The Universe (that which we perceive as starting at the BB) is “embedded” in the cosmos.
By the above reasoning, we must say that the Universe “is the cosmos”.
The only way in which this reasoning could be logically consistent would be if the Universe were a “shadow” of the cosmos.  (Think of the analogy of the people in a cave who could see only shadows on the wall).
Time, change and progression are features of this “shadow” reality.  They have meaning only in our perceived Universe.
It might be argued, from this, that our Universe is an illusion, but this has no real significance, because this illusion, is our reality.  It is all we are able to observe and study.  This, of course, is where we re-introduce maths.

[Christopher Clift]

The Big Bang has been a repetitive cycle for longer than understood.
For an understanding of the years would be Ꝏ X Ꝏ  X Ꝏ X 𝞹 would be closer to the truth of the length of time.
This is not the first time the Big Bang has happened and it will not be the last.
If you recycle paper and create new paper from it and carbon date it, it has a new carbon signature. This is the same as the universe of what we know.
We carbon dated the Dead Sea Scrolls to date back approximately 2000 years ago. But the carbon of the paper has been around much longer. If we recycled that scroll to create a new scroll it would have a new carbon date.
This is the same math as the universe.
We have been limited to our teachings instead of expanding common logic with science.
So the answer to what was before the Big Bang - A recycled process of life and death and life again which has been happening longer than ever imagine or originally estimated.
Ꝏ X Ꝏ X Ꝏ X 𝞹

[syhprum]

I dont think the dead sea scrolls were paper more likley copper or leather.

[Christopher Clift]

Most of the scrolls were written in Hebrew, with a smaller number in Aramaic or Greek. Most of them were written on parchment, with the exception of a few written on papyrus. The vast majority of the scrolls survived as fragments - only a handful were found intact.

[Halc]

We carbon dated the Dead Sea Scrolls to date back approximately 2000 years ago. But the carbon of the paper has been around much longer.

Paper or parchment, this statement is wrong on several levels. No, the C₁₄ has not been around much longer, which is why the dating method works. Recycling paper into new paper does not change its carbon date unless new carbon is introduced by the process, which kind of disqualifies the process as 'recycling'.
Likewise, no cyclic model of the universe seems to match observations anywhere as well as the standard model, and any such cyclic model does indeed need to solve the problem of entropy getting reset periodically in violation of thermodynamic law.


Credit: F Minus, today

[Christopher Clift]

You think that way my friend.
It seems you missed the whole point of what i said and tried telling me what i already said.
So why recycle my words for the educational point of saying what i said to start with?
Here we go again Ꝏ X Ꝏ X Ꝏ X π

[Kryptid]

Here we go again Ꝏ X Ꝏ X Ꝏ X π

Why not just say infinity?