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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #480 on: 25/08/2019 17:42:32 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 25/08/2019 14:46:58
How do you expect me to solve the equation if you won't tell me what the value of "t" is?
He isn't fooling anyone, is he.
There isn't a defined value of t so he's talking nonsense and he knows it.
That's why he won't (and can't) answer.

I think he is hoping we might forget about it.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #481 on: 02/09/2019 13:25:35 »
It would appear that this group of scientists have been able to modify the frequency of an EM wave so that it can be "trapped" in a hole and later released at the original frequency.  Fascinating but highly unlikely:). https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190830150746.htm

Actually, the article, like most articles on innovative physics techniques, fails to explain the process involved. In fact these people have been experimenting with mechanical waves and then blithely saying the techniques are applicable to light waves.

"While we ran our proof-of-concept experiment using elastic waves traveling in a solid material, our findings are also applicable to radiowaves and light, offering exciting prospects for efficient energy harvesting, wireless power transfer, low-energy photonics, and generally enhanced control over wave propagation," said Ruzzene.

They seem to think "radiowaves" and light are different kettles of fish:)
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #482 on: 02/09/2019 15:48:12 »
What is the value of "t"?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #483 on: 13/09/2019 01:11:02 »
IT would seem that the centre of the milky way galaxy contains a gigantic object of unknown purpose (https://scienceblog.com/510438/giant-balloon-like-structures-discovered-at-center-of-milky-way/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28ScienceBlog.com%29).

Possibly a hierarchical finite state machine (hfsm) object that I predicted in my theory of universal systems documented in this topic?

p.s. state changes in a hfsm are considered to be instantaneous in a computer implementation of the hfsm object. The black hole at the centre of the central object in a universal system would likely rely on this fact to change state. i.e. the whole of the black hole would change state instantaneously whenever a state change event was received.  A black hole is outside of time and  would likely handle this situation by "containing" all future possible states.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #484 on: 13/09/2019 05:50:52 »
Quote from: mxplxxx on 13/09/2019 01:11:02
IT would seem that the centre of the milky way galaxy contains a gigantic object of unknown purpose (https://scienceblog.com/510438/giant-balloon-like-structures-discovered-at-center-of-milky-way/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28ScienceBlog.com%29).

Possibly a hierarchical finite state machine (hfsm) object that I predicted in my theory of universal systems documented in this topic?

p.s. state changes in a hfsm are considered to be instantaneous in a computer implementation of the hfsm object. The black hole at the centre of the central object in a universal system would likely rely on this fact to change state. i.e. the whole of the black hole would change state instantaneously whenever a state change event was received.  A black hole is outside of time and  would likely handle this situation by "containing" all future possible states.

Is there any particular reason you keep ignoring my question?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #485 on: 14/09/2019 00:22:31 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 25/08/2019 17:42:32
There isn't a defined value of t so he's talking nonsense and he knows it.
That's why he won't (and can't) answer.
Quote from: Kryptid on 13/09/2019 05:50:52
Is there any particular reason you keep ignoring my question?
Yes.
He's only pretending to be competent
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #486 on: 28/10/2019 10:54:45 »
https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/j5yngp/the-universe-is-made-of-tiny-bubbles-containing-mini-universes-scientists-say

And what is a bubble if not a spherical Shell as explained previously in this topic (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=75960.msg576986;topicseen#msg576986)? And what is a mini-universe if not a System as also explained previously in this topic? And Systems "live" in Shells.In fact, s System is probably a type of shell. Which may mean Shells are "must inherit" objects and therefore cannot be detected on their own.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #487 on: 28/10/2019 16:11:58 »
A photon only describes one component of a wave.  The rate.

An EM wave is intermittent pulses.  It has direction, E polarity, M polarity, intensity and rate.

The direction is out from emitter.  The E polarity remains constant.  But the M polarity alternates. One pulse has the N pole and the next pulse has the S pole.

The intensity sets the number of absorbents.  The process of absorbing.....is applying a torque rate to the absorbent.

The photon is a measure of the torque applied to the absorbent.  Only a charge can absorb.

And only a charge can emit.    Photon=RATE.

All that is required to measure this is frequency......which is rate.


Edit:  Pardon me.  When I see the word photon, I automatically think of particles.  And particles only have 1 E field polarity.

With dipole emission, the E component, alternates with the pulse also.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #488 on: 29/10/2019 00:07:15 »
Quote from: Hayseed on 28/10/2019 16:11:58
A photon only describes one component of a wave.  The rate.

An EM wave is intermittent pulses.  It has direction, E polarity, M polarity, intensity and rate.

The direction is out from emitter.  The E polarity remains constant.  But the M polarity alternates. One pulse has the N pole and the next pulse has the S pole.

The intensity sets the number of absorbents.  The process of absorbing.....is applying a torque rate to the absorbent.

The photon is a measure of the torque applied to the absorbent.  Only a charge can absorb.

And only a charge can emit.    Photon=RATE.

All that is required to measure this is frequency......which is rate.


Edit:  Pardon me.  When I see the word photon, I automatically think of particles.  And particles only have 1 E field polarity.

With dipole emission, the E component, alternates with the pulse also.

You have pretty much given an explanation of standard EM wave/photon theory. This has been replaced by quantum theory. In any case, you are in new theories and if you take the time to peruse the topic you will find that I have proposed a "System' theory that explains wave/particle duality (and a few other things as well).

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #489 on: 29/10/2019 02:35:10 »
Pardon me.  I thought the word photon came from the study of QT.  We used to call it QM.

And I thought you were asking how to measure one.  One would measure the frequency.  Or perhaps an indirect frequency measurement.

But you are right, I have never needed QT.   But I can still measure frequency.  So, I can measure a photon......with a QT constant.

Didn't mean to disturb your post.   I will retire.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #490 on: 05/11/2019 09:29:59 »
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2019/11/04/voyager-2s-first-reports-from-interstellar-space-surprise-scientists/#.XcEww0YzZ3g

More bubbles/shells:)
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #491 on: 23/11/2019 12:33:26 »
Shells could equally be called time bubbles. A system living in a shell/time bubble experiences time. Systems "contain" their own time bubbles /shells in which "live" subsystems. All systems perceive time passing at the same rate but within a time bubble, time "actually" passes at a rate that is decided by the "level" (more about this and its relationship to the quantum of action later) of the bubble. The recursive network of time bubbles/shells and systems constitute a universal hierarchical abstraction database that "IS" the universe.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #492 on: 06/12/2019 02:35:56 »
Of course Shells are quantum entities. This means that all Shells have the same amount of Action, h (Planck's constant as in E=h/t). What varies between Shells is the rate of flow of time (t in E=h/t). Less time equates to more distance (expansion) and more time equates to less distance (contraction).

A system can modify the time component of the shell that encloses it. Contraction of the shell will occur when the system receives a graviton. Expansion occurs when the system receives a ? (an anti-graviton?). Thus gravity and universal expansion occur. The system will forward the graviton/anti-graviton to each of its subsystems and the process repeats. No change in Action occurs in this process (although E as in E=h/t will vary).

In fact, given that E is a function of time, it is likely that time is the only State variable in this universe.

There ARE variables like Direction and Location that have meaning only where two or more variables are involved. In a universe that works via the Systems described in this topic, this type of variable will be defined relative to the parent system (thus negating the need for the relativity described by Einstein).

Then there are other states like Charge and Spin that are read-only for a particular particle. i.e. not variables (not 100% sure of this).
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #493 on: 08/12/2019 20:08:39 »
https://scienceblog.com/512559/a-platform-for-stable-quantum-computing-a-playground-for-exotic-physics/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28ScienceBlog.com%29

Topological insulators are materials that can conduct electricity on their surface or edge, but not in the middle. Given that a feature of the Systems described by this post is that the central object is a dead end for the flow of events/photons, it is likely that all Systems will be found to be topological insulators. 
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #494 on: 19/12/2019 22:05:58 »
How to use Systems to control brain states.

https://scienceblog.com/512914/helping-to-uncover-the-mechanism-controlling-brain-state

If the basic type of a cell is a system, as described in this post, changing states on a brain-wide basis is simple. The top level system simply sends a change-basic-state message to all its subsystems. The subsystems in turn change state and forward the message to their subsystems. Each system is a hierarchical finite state machine. There will be single a top-level (level 1) state, controlling, and two level 2 sub-states, hunting and exploring as per the scienceblog article. This may be what happens in a startle reflex.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #495 on: 20/12/2019 10:44:43 »
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This may be what happens in a startle reflex.
No, it can't be.
You still need to do some learning.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #496 on: 25/12/2019 03:16:55 »
Tabby’s Star: Vanishing stars could lead to alien

Wednesday, December 25, 2019/
9:59 AM

Clipped from: https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/vanishing-stars-may-lead-to-alien-civilisations/news-story/4d309aa7025608b75f812bcd26375d57

Or... vanishing stars are just objects that are no longer referenced by any other object. Computer programs delete such objects in a "garbage collection" process.

Or ... vanishing stars are part of the quantum "virtual particle" process whereby objects flash in and out of existence (which may be related to alternative 1).

Or ... Our 3d Universe is just a projection of an underlying 2d Universal System. Something has deleted (or otherwise made unavailable) Tabby's Star from the 3d part of the database (the Display System in my software) or from the 2d part of the database (the Data system in my software) or the 4d part of the database (the Datastore system in my software). The disappearance of Tabby's Star gives much more credence to the Hologram theory regarding the nature of the universe.

Given all objects are part of the Universe System, the only way they can be in a "garbage collect" state is for "Something" to have set them to "Nothing". This makes them vanish as far as the "Something" is concerned but they still exist until all of the "Somethings" that reference them have set them to "Nothing". Soon after this point they stop being physically present (i.e. they are "garbage collected" by the Universal run-time system - which we know nothing of).   

It means that an object like the earth will only reference those objects that are relevant for its existence. Also that Dark matter may "merely" be matter that is not being "observed". 

Actually, vanish is a relative phenomenon. Assuming we live in a digital universe, everything has to vanish when moving from place A to place B. We don't perceive this happening for close-by systems because the time system we are immersed in does not allow us to register it. The same may not be the case for distant systems such as Tabby's Star. This could be a system in which, for reasons unknown,  time moves, relatively, much much slower than our own. We see it as if in slow motion and we see in much more detail the whole process of moving from one place to another. In other words, it has not vanished but instead is in an interim un-observable state in the moving process when we try and observe it.


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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #497 on: 27/12/2019 08:00:46 »
https://phys.org/news/2019-12-quantum-silicon-bits-long-distance-relationship.html

"Each qubit is composed of a single electron trapped in a tiny chamber called a double quantum dot. Electrons possess a property known as spin, which can point up or down in a manner analogous to a compass needle that points north or south. By zapping the electron with a microwave field, the researchers can flip the spin up or down to assign the qubit a quantum state of 1 or 0."

So, no quantum superposition of states. Just plain vanilla computing 0/1 states. Why then do they call it a quantum state?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #498 on: 27/12/2019 17:22:05 »
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Or ... vanishing stars are part of the quantum "virtual particle" process whereby objects flash in and out of existence (which may be related to alternative 1).

That would violate conservation of mass and/or the uncertainty principle. Virtual particles appearing and disappearing is different because the timescales involved adhere to the uncertainty principle and keep the average energy budget of the vacuum constant.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #499 on: 27/12/2019 22:04:51 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 27/12/2019 17:22:05
Quote from: mxplxxx on 25/12/2019 03:16:55
Or ... vanishing stars are part of the quantum "virtual particle" process whereby objects flash in and out of existence (which may be related to alternative 1).

That would violate conservation of mass and/or the uncertainty principle. Virtual particles appearing and disappearing is different because the timescales involved adhere to the uncertainty principle and keep the average energy budget of the vacuum constant.
It seems to me that, at the point where the virtual particle is present, the law of the conservation of energy has been violated. It also seems to me that, because of relativity, the times involved in the uncertainty principle will vary from object to object, making it a very shaky principle.
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