[Bored chemist]

Good for a laugh:) "Mxplxxx, I wasn't wrong, my logic was"

Then by your reasoning, you, Bored Chemist and I are not interacting right now. So if you read anything from Bored Chemist or me that you don't like, you shouldn't complain about us. Instead, you should complain about the light coming from your computer screen.

Not to mention complaining to himself for understanding it (Or misunderstanding as the case may be.)

I'm trying to work out if the OP is clever enough to be a troll.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

Internet troll - Wikipedia
 
In internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

It seems to me one of the functions of a moderator is to protect the general membership of a forum from a person such as this. It is not happening on Naked Scientist Forums and I will not put up any more with the abuse that I have received in that last 3 days. Sorry people no more laughs.

[Kryptid]

Internet troll - Wikipedia
 
In internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or upsets people on the Internet by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, either for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

It seems to me one of the functions of a moderator is to protect the general membership of a forum from a person such as this. It is not happening on Naked Scientist Forums and I will not put up any more with the abuse that I have received in that last 3 days. Sorry people no more laughs.

In what way has anyone here been a troll? Bored Chemist and I don't correct people for personal amusement. We correct people in order to make the truth clear. If people are upset or provoked by that, then they need to do some thorough self-examination and ask themselves if they are being rational.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

In what way has anyone here been a troll?

Can't answer that. You need to speak for yourself

Bored Chemist and I don't correct people for personal amusement.

Again,  you need to speak for yourself

We correct people in order to make the truth clear.

Again  you need to speak for yourself. You will have a deeper aim than arriving at the truth. You will be doing so to make yourself feel good.

Beware that the truth is just that, i.e., scientific truth (so hard to come by in Physics) and not a personal opinion. This is New Theories and the truth is near impossible to come by. Ask yourself, why am I in New Theories where the purity of your mission is senseless. No chance, being conservative, you are trying to stop innovation in physics? Conservative physicists have been very successful at this for the last 50 years.

If people are upset or provoked by that, then they need to do some thorough self-examination and ask themselves if they are being rational.

I guarantee you MOST people will be provoked by what you have been posting. It takes a huge amount of skill to criticize and not antagonize people ( even more to have them thank you for it). You don't have the required skill, and, worse, your criticisms are mostly baseless.

At the very least, never criticize the person, always the idea.

I would suggest you ditch your partner who is a light year more provocative than you (he likes to disrespect people "because they deserve it").

Finally Naked Scientists will be risking patronage if this incredibly inflammatory partnership is allowed to continue. I have no intention of returning.

[Bored chemist]

I think the Coronavirus is making us all a lot more touchy than normal.

Not especially; I never did like it when people said derogatory untruths about me.
Why did you do that?

[mxplxxx (OP)]

In what way has anyone here been a troll?

Can't answer that. You need to speak for yourself

Bored Chemist and I don't correct people for personal amusement.

Again,  you need to speak for yourself

We correct people in order to make the truth clear.

Again  you need to speak for yourself. You will have a deeper aim than arriving at the truth. You will be doing so to make yourself feel good.

Beware that the truth is just that, i.e., scientific truth (so hard to come by in Physics) and not a personal opinion. This is New Theories and the truth is near impossible to come by. Ask yourself, why am I in New Theories where the purity of your mission is senseless. No chance, being conservative, you are trying to stop innovation in physics? Conservative physicists have been very successful at this for the last 50 years.

If people are upset or provoked by that, then they need to do some thorough self-examination and ask themselves if they are being rational.

I guarantee you MOST people will be provoked by what you have been posting. It takes a huge amount of skill to criticize and not antagonize people ( even more to have them thank you for it). You don't have the required skill, and, worse, your criticisms are mostly baseless.

At the very least, never criticize the person, always the idea.

I would suggest you ditch your partner who is a light year more provocative than you (he likes to disrespect people "because they deserve it").

Finally Naked Scientists will be risking patronage if this incredibly inflammatory partnership is allowed to continue. I have no intention of returning.

Actually, I think I will stick around and see just much laughter I can provoke.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

Looks like we have a team of intrepid physicists in Naked Scientists New Theories on a mission to to purge the world of physics untruths. How heroic.

[Kryptid]

Can't answer that.

If you are accusing people of being trolls, then you absolutely can answer it. Either that or you just admitted that you called people trolls without a reason. Which is it?

You need to speak for yourself

About what?

You will have a deeper aim than arriving at the truth.

What do you mean by "arriving at the truth"? I'm simply stating it as it is currently known. I'm not "arriving at it", I'm repeating it.

You will be doing so to make yourself feel good.

Yes, it feels good to let people know the difference between actual scientific evidence and speculation.

Beware that the truth is just that, i.e., scientific truth (so hard to come by in Physics) and not a personal opinion.

I'm well aware of that. Opinions are subjective. Facts are objective.

This is New Theories and the truth is near impossible to come by.

You can say that again.

Ask yourself, why am I in New Theories where the purity of your mission is senseless.

I'm here to (1) correct misconceptions, and (2) to point out nonsense for what it is when I see it. If that is senseless, then we might as well make this a fantasy section devoid of science or reason.

No chance, being conservative, you are trying to stop innovation in physics?

Nope. Innovation is good so long as it follows the evidence.

I guarantee you MOST people will be provoked by what you have been posting. It takes a huge amount of skill to criticize and not antagonize people ( even more to have them thank you for it).

And what have I said that is provocative? Can you quote me on it?

You don't have the required skill, and, worse, your criticisms are mostly baseless.

Yes, it's baseless for me to correct you when you claim that fermions don't interact. You might as well be arguing that no one has ever heard anyone else. They heard sound instead. No one has ever seen anyone else. They saw light instead. It's a technicality that people who speak English would find redundant and unhelpful. It's clear what people mean when they say that they are interacting with someone else. It's the same thing when someone says that one fermion is interacting with another fermion.

At the very least, never criticize the person, always the idea.

Very well. I will only address your ideas from now on without mentioning you.

Looks like we have a team of intrepid physicists in Naked Scientists New Theories on a mission to to purge the world of physics untruths. How heroic.

And that one is the straw-man fallacy. Bored Chemist is a chemist and I'm not even a scientist. I'm well aware that I cannot "purge the world of physics untruths", but I can try to correct people's misunderstandings on this tiny corner of the Internet.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

I'm not even a scientist.

It shows. Chances are you are just wasting my time and the time of others on Naked Scientists.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

Yes, it feels good to let people know the difference between actual scientific evidence and speculation.

I can assure you it don't feel good to them. Why do you feel this need to put people right. Do you have anxiety issues around control?

[Kryptid]

It shows. Chances are you are just wasting my time and the time of others on Naked Scientists.

I suppose that depends upon how one defines "wasting time". I do agree that trying to correct people in New Theories often is a waste of time when it comes to convincing them that they are mistaken. At least a few lurkers can look at my posts and get a handle on where and why a new idea is likely wrong.

I can assure you it don't feel good to them.

How would you know how anyone other than yourself feels about it?

Why do you feel this need to put people right.

I see no good reason not to. If I know that someone has the wrong answer and I know the right answer, I might as well speak up.

Do you have anxiety issues around control?

I don't think so.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

Quote from: mxplxxx on Yesterday at 23:40:45
Looks like we have a team of intrepid physicists in Naked Scientists New Theories on a mission to to purge the world of physics untruths. How heroic.

And that one is the straw-man fallacy. Bored Chemist is a chemist and I'm not even a scientist. I'm well aware that I cannot "purge the world of physics untruths", but I can try to correct people's misunderstandings on this tiny corner of the Internet.

Sorry, I should have said "Looks like we have a team of intrepid NON-physicists"

[mxplxxx (OP)]

How would you know how anyone other than yourself feels about it?

An educated guess.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

I don't think so.

So you are not a control freak? You sound like one.

[Kryptid]

So you are not a control freak? You sound like one.

How so?

[mxplxxx (OP)]

So you are not a control freak? You sound like one.

How so?

In you reason for your hobby i.e. to make the world "right".  You also don't like being told you are wrong and will twist and turn ad nauseam to prove the accuser wrong.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

Quote from: Kryptid on Yesterday at 05:24:23
In what way has anyone here been a troll?
Can't answer that. You need to speak for yourself

Quote from: Kryptid on Yesterday at 05:24:23
Bored Chemist and I don't correct people for personal amusement.
Again,  you need to speak for yourself

Quote from: Kryptid on Yesterday at 05:24:23
We correct people in order to make the truth clear.
Again  you need to speak for yourself. You will have a deeper aim than arriving at the truth. You will be doing so to make yourself feel good.

"Can't" should be "Won't". I won't answer any query that involves your partner. Always speak on you own behalf.

[Kryptid]

In you reason for your hobby i.e. to make the world "right".  You also don't like being told you are wrong and will twist and turn ad nauseam to prove the accuser wrong.

I've been corrected many times in other threads. The most recent example to memory is that light travels more slowly in a gravitational field (in the relevant thread in the Physics section of the forum). I had originally thought that its velocity was invariant in a vacuum. If I have been proven wrong in this thread, please let me know what I've gotten wrong.

If you want to psycho-analyze me, feel free to continue doing so via personal messages. This thread has been derailed for long enough. We should be talking about photons.

[mxplxxx (OP)]

I suppose that depends upon how one defines "wasting time".

Like between you and your partner, 3 days of my time wasted on series of wild goose chases. Like about 2000 views of time wasted because the viewer likely expected some of my pearls of wisdom or at least a good laugh. BTW, a perfect result if you were an  Internet Troll.

[Bored chemist]

Actually, I think I will stick around and see just much laughter I can provoke.

Why do you think it is funny to tell lies about people?