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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #640 on: 31/05/2020 10:52:08 »
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You also don't like being told you are wrong and will twist and turn ad nauseam to prove the accuser wrong.
Get a mirror.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #641 on: 31/05/2020 10:55:34 »
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It shows.
Look who's talking.

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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #642 on: 31/05/2020 12:58:15 »
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Looks like we have a team of intrepid physicists in Naked Scientists New Theories on a mission to to purge the world of physics untruths. How heroic.
And unlikely. Especially as they appear to have little in common. What is more likely? That they are being financed to disrupt any new physics theory showing promise would seem to be a strong possibility. There will be any number of corporations that will stand to lose from the introduction of new technology based on successful new physics theories. You have to ask the question "why has physics advanced so little in the last 50 years".
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #643 on: 31/05/2020 14:07:09 »
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That they are being financed to disrupt any new physics theory showing promise would seem to be a strong possibility.
You just jumped the shark.
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There will be any number of corporations that will stand to lose from the introduction of new technology based on successful new physics theories.
Seriously?
You think progress harms  the economy?
Who do you think finances most research?

The most likely explanation is the real one. I put the record straight to avoid having people misled into believing tosh like the idea that fermions don't interact.

You, on the other hand, post drivel, and then refuse to even talk to those who point out the errors of your ways.
You are the antithesis of science, so I wonder what you are doing here.
BTW...
you forgot to answer this
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You also forgot to address these problems
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Photons cannot be observed.
Yes they can.
In particular, if a gamma ray photon hits your eye you might actually see the scintillation.
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If photons cannot be observed
They can be.
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who is is to say photons can be created simultaneously?
Logic.
They are brought into being by the same event. It follows that they happen at the same time.
There's also experimental observation of this - used every day throughout the world in medical imaging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography#Emission

Why are you pretending that reality doesn't happen?



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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #644 on: 31/05/2020 14:58:26 »
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That they are being financed to disrupt any new physics theory showing promise would seem to be a strong possibility. There will be any number of corporations that will stand to lose from the introduction of new technology based on successful new physics theories.

You have got to be kidding me. Why would UPS (my employer) care about anything in this thread?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #645 on: 31/05/2020 21:41:37 »
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Looks like we have a team of intrepid physicists in Naked Scientists New Theories on a mission to to purge the world of physics untruths. How heroic.
And unlikely. Especially as they appear to have little in common. What is more likely? That they are being financed to disrupt any new physics theory showing promise would seem to be a strong possibility. There will be any number of corporations that will stand to lose from the introduction of new technology based on successful new physics theories. You have to ask the question "why has physics advanced so little in the last 50 years".
The answer may be that talented people like myself just get sick of the incessant attacks by talentless people whose agenda is driven by an unrelenting pathological need to belittle others, or money is involved. Money is usually involved when the status quo is threatened.

Their favorite troll-like tactic seems to repeat ad nauseam a post that they have not got a reply to. Why? Because they can. The Naked Scientist's moderator seems to be in collusion with the practice. It is certainly not because they feel they can increase their chances of getting a reply. I never  reply to such awful behavior. This topic, unfortunately, is riddled with this sort of thing. If I were a follower, I would be thinking twice before visiting the topic. Eventually, if the behavior continues to be tolerated, Naked Scientists and Physics are going to be the losers here.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #646 on: 31/05/2020 22:19:39 »
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Their favorite troll-like tactic seems to repeat ad nauseam a post that they have not got a reply to. Why?
Because you don't reply.

The mods allow it because you signed up to the rules and the rules say you should address a reasonable point- otherwise you are just soapboxing, and that's not allowed.
Specifically the rulse sauy "The site is not for evangelising your own pet theory.  It is perfectly acceptable that you should post your own theory up for discussion, but if all you want to do is promote your own idea and are not inviting critical debate about it, then that will not be acceptable.".

But, if you don't like it, it's easy enough to put a stop to it.
Just reply; answer the question.

Why didn't you think of that?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #647 on: 31/05/2020 22:21:01 »
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The answer may be that talented people like myself
If you have a talent in physics,
(1) why do you make so many  mistakes?
(2) why did you study something else?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #648 on: 31/05/2020 22:23:54 »
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I never  reply to such awful behavior.
If you think that asking a question is "such awful behavior", why did you join a discussion forum?
There are blog sites where you can be as wrong as you like, and nobody will object.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #649 on: 31/05/2020 23:11:42 »
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The answer may be that talented people like myself just get sick of the incessant attacks by talentless people whose agenda is driven by an unrelenting pathological need to belittle others, or money is involved. Money is usually involved when the status quo is threatened.

Neither of those things are true of me. I don't feel the need to belittle others (challenging a claim is not the same as belittling a person) nor is anyone paying me to post on this forum.

Enough of this off-topic banter. If you want to continue to complain about us, do it via PMs or talk to another moderator/administrator. Keep this discussion about the topic title. If you keep derailing this topic by calling us trolls or the like, you may be given a temporary suspension (don't blame me for it. It was a different moderator that brought up the possibility of suspension).
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #650 on: 02/06/2020 14:50:38 »
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Looks like we have a team of intrepid physicists in Naked Scientists New Theories on a mission to to purge the world of physics untruths. How heroic.
And unlikely. Especially as they appear to have little in common. What is more likely? That they are being financed to disrupt any new physics theory showing promise would seem to be a strong possibility. There will be any number of corporations that will stand to lose from the introduction of new technology based on successful new physics theories. You have to ask the question "why has physics advanced so little in the last 50 years".
The answer may be that talented people like myself just get sick of the incessant attacks by talentless people whose agenda is driven by an unrelenting pathological need to belittle others, or money is involved. Money is usually involved when the status quo is threatened.

Their favorite troll-like tactic seems to repeat ad nauseam a post that they have not got a reply to. Why? Because they can. The Naked Scientist's moderator seems to be in collusion with the practice. It is certainly not because they feel they can increase their chances of getting a reply. I never  reply to such awful behavior. This topic, unfortunately, is riddled with this sort of thing. If I were a follower, I would be thinking twice before visiting the topic. Eventually, if the behavior continues to be tolerated, Naked Scientists and Physics are going to be the losers here.
One of the questions being posed by the team leader is "What does the H stand for" (in one of my replies which started with IMHO)" It has been repeated ad nauseam 15 times.  Many others are abusive. I refuse to reply to such a person at all, in this case, their partner.

The team is good guy, bad guy. One is meek and mild and the other is arrogant and egotistic. They are as alike as chalk and cheese. Their chances of becoming bosom buddies are pretty much nil. Why therefore the partnership? Maybe they think good cop, bad cop interrogation is going to achieve better results.  And maybe there is not a partnership. Maybe it is the one guy with different User Ids. Whatever, it is likely to be bad news for Naked Scientists.

Bad Cop has 2 Topics on New Theories out of 18000 posts. He is obviously bereft of ideas/creativity. Why then is he spending 33% of his time in New Theories? Because, being new he can criticize the theory any way he wants without the need for scientific proof. Never mind that he is mostly laughably wrong, he gets his 4 hits of belittling satisfaction a day. He is a bully. If you criticize him, he almost always comes back at you with more drivel or aggressively attacks you.

These guys don't like not having the last word. They will post and post and post until we give up and stop posting. An internet troll is best handled by not replying to their posts.

Why a moderator would put up with all this is totally beyond me. I have contacted the moderator and others in Naked Scientists about the situation but to no avail.

Bad cop BC, C2B, B2C?

In future in New Theories, I will reply only to posts that have references, address the idea and not the person, are neutral or pleasant in tone, are helpful and address the theory. I will not reply to nor read posts from people I know to be trouble-makers.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #651 on: 02/06/2020 14:53:08 »
The mods probably think you should follow the rules and reply to reasonable questions.
Why don't you do that?
Are you unable to look up the answer?
Are you concerned that, if you say what it means that will show that you were factually incorrect?
Why not just answer the question?
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #652 on: 02/06/2020 20:47:28 »
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Why therefore the partnership?

I didn't team up with Bored Chemist. We both came here of our own volition. None of this was pre-arranged.

As I said before, stop cluttering up this thread with complaints. Keep all of the complaining in PMs to the relevant parties. I won't warn you again.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #653 on: 02/06/2020 22:24:37 »
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The team is good guy, bad guy. One is meek and mild and the other is arrogant and egotistic. They are as alike as chalk and cheese. Their chances of becoming bosom buddies are pretty much nil. Why therefore the partnership?

It's not a partnership.
It's just that we both, independently, think it would be better if you didn't post tripe, and answered criticism.

So, let's make a start.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #654 on: 04/06/2020 02:33:14 »
Evidence that the universe is rotating. https://futurism.com/the-byte/astronomers-entire-early-universe-rotating

The Universe is the top level 3dSystem of Reality. It will naturally rotate around its centre of gravity.  As will all of its subsystems and their subsystems. You are a 3dSystem that seemingly does not rotate. But, this is because gravity is stopping you from doing so.

A 3dSystem is initially created as a rotating sphere with no components. The rotating sphere has an Intrinsic Angular Momentum. There are distinct types of this momentum which is often called Spin and is identified by a Spin number.

The energy of a system is related to its Intrinsic Angular Momentum and is spread out initially evenly across the space occupied by the system when it is first created. Being Intrinsic means the energy is absolute (not relational) This energy is given by the basic equation of quantum physics E = h/t, where:

E = the energy in units of joules that is present in a single rotation of the system
h = Planck's constant of Action (6.62607015×10⁻³⁴ joules times seconds)
t = the time taken for a single rotation of the system.

This means, amazingly, that all systems "contain" a constant amount of Action, h. Action: walk for 1k, run for 1k: same action but first way is low energy long time, second is high energy short time.

It also so happens that f = 1/t where f = the frequency of the frequency of the rotation in Hertz (cycles/rotations per second) units, so:

E = hf is an alternative way of calculating energy.

This energy will change only if the frequency of the system changes. For example, if the system expands, the frequency will decrease and so will the energy. If the system contracts, the frequency will increase and so will the energy. Much like a spinning ice-skater.

PS all 3dSystems are universes in their own rights. They are infinite in nature. They also each contain two centres of awareness. One processes all communication with the parent 3dSystem and the other processes all communication with the 3dShells/3dSubsystems. In the case of a personal 3dSystem, these centres would likely be the third eye and the solar plexus.
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Re: How do we measure the energy of a photon?
« Reply #655 on: 04/06/2020 08:41:41 »
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The Universe is the top level 3dSystem of Reality. It will naturally rotate around its centre of gravity.  As will all of its subsystems and their subsystems. You are a 3dSystem that seemingly does not rotate. But, this is because gravity is stopping you from doing so.
If gravity stops me spinning, how come the much bigger gravity of the universe does not stop it spinning?

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« Reply #656 on: 04/06/2020 08:45:14 »

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This means, amazingly, that all systems "contain" a constant amount of Action,
When you say action, do you mean action, or are you just misusing a "sciencey" word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_(physics)
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« Reply #657 on: 09/06/2020 06:34:56 »
A flat universe? https://futurism.com/the-byte/universe-actually-flat. Chances are they are looking at the 2d (Data) part of a Universe 3dApp (the other parts being 3d Display - Space and 4d Datastore - Spacetime).
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A flat universe? https://futurism.com/the-byte/universe-actually-flat. Chances are they are looking at the 2d (Data) part of a Universe 3dApp (the other parts being 3d Display - Space and 4d Datastore - Spacetime).
You don't understand what flat means, do you?
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« Reply #659 on: 09/06/2020 11:44:04 »
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Chances are they are looking at the 2d (Data) part of a Universe 3dApp (the other parts being 3d Display - Space and 4d Datastore - Spacetime).
@Bored chemist is right, they are not talking about topology.
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