[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Inviting comments from  NASA, EHT, on contention  NO BLACK HOLE EXIST?

Inviting comments from highly respected NASA, EHT on the two articles (A) and( B) below, namely:” Black hole is just a super giant boiling object in outer space, not invisible, light escapes”  and (B) ”The gas and dust completely enveloping black hole is SOLVED”. These two articles are posted in NAKED SCIENTISTS  FORUM  under “New Theories Forum”.

 (A)Black hole is just a super giant boiling object in outer space: not invisible, light escapes!! 

Black hole is one of the  greatest hunt  of all astronomical  societies of the world for nearly 100 years this modern  21th century!! The must intensified hunt is happening  now 2017-19. What is black hole? As conceived, a structure in outer space with strong gravitational force that even light cannot escape, thus, it is invisible.  But does black hole exists? Here are four  indisputable evidences that  prove no black hole exist in the universe:

(1)Quasars are super- giant galaxies, reputed to be the farthest, the largest, and brightest objects of the visible  universe. Many distant  quasars release light that travels some 10 to 13 billion light years (10-13 billion years) to reach and  contact  astronomical telescopes on earth. That supra-bright light of quasars is never the making of  billions of satellite stars surrounding the quasars, these satellite objects are weakened the farther the travel and can never reach earth. Nor is it the light of dust and gas completely surrounding quasars, for that light from quasar that reach earth is tremendously  concentrated and powerful, otherwise it cannot travel that far, billion of light years away, to reach earth. The only source of such super-powerful light is  the core of quasars implicating indisputably that light escapes from the core,  supposed black hole . The light that escapes  is NORMAL MAKING of such object in space.

(2)The massing dust and gas that  completely  envelop  supposed black hole, thus no black hole is  visible directly , only dust and gas. Where do these dust and gas come from? A  respected conglomerate of astronomers in 2017throughout the world  combined their astronomical telescopes, called EHT (Event Horizon Telescope), and simultaneously  pointed at Saguitarius “A”  of Milky Way  where the supposed black hole is hiding. The global EHT found  no black hole directly but super-dense dust and gas envelopes completely  the center of Milky Way. Another group of respected astrophysicists (UCLA) University of California, LA) ,who has been observing stars  rotating closest to center of Milky Way for more than 15 years, commented : these dust and gas were observed being blown outward from center of Milky Way where the supposed black hole resides, and then to fall back to the center, and even goes further  commented  the  dust and gas were blown out straight outward!!! Here is the clue why gas and dust were blown outward . Have you observed boiling water?. It boils and  blows UP evaporated H2O to atmosphere.  In like manner, the supposed  black holes is super-heated object in space (even up to trillion Celsius), has surface which  is super boiling that it blows out   gas and dust outward that totally envelops and cover up supposed black hole thus  is invisible! But all the electromagnetic spectrum, X_ray, ultra-violet ray, radio ray, etc. can penetrate the center of galaxy except visible light!!! and reflect back the image/information of that core to  astronomical telescope, a proof that electro-magnetic=spectrum, of which includes light, escapes!. As further commented by unnamed  physicist of UCLA,  something like this  “ there is detected massive  body in the core of Milky  Way but it is not the traditional black hole wherein light cannot escape but rather any materials that fall into it will never  leave”. He is not far from the truth.

(3)For the first time,  detected light and gravity travel, hand in hand, in  super-boiling gas and hydrogen jets ejected by colliding galaxies at speed of light in the fabric  of space (call it spacetime.), Concept of black hole which light cannot escape is against the law of physics: where there is fire, there is light. Light cannot be separated from fire nor fire separated from light.  Both goes hand in hand inseparably and proportionately, not against one another.. The bigger the fire, proportionately, the bigger the light it produces and releases outward at the same impulse  speed  of 186,000  miles/sec  The speed of gravity and light hand in hand finally confirmed this 2017 .  In  outer space, the greater the gravitational force of large stars, galaxies, quasars,, proportionately, hand in hand,  the greater the light it produces and  releases to outer space,  not suck back light unto itself.

(4)Is supposed black hole hot or cold? The ejected jet of gas and hydrogen, of  a single  super massive galaxy is super hot, even by trillion celsius  (the boiling gaseous sun has surface temperature of 6,000 celsius) implicating the interior of galaxies is super-hot,  not cold. That the ejected jets from  both sides of a super galaxy proves the core, supposed black hole,  has inherent  positive and negative, another evidence that the supposed black hole is no singularity, the signature of black hole?.  There is no singularity in matter, not even neutron stars..

.It is worth mentioning, Dr. Albert Einstein who postulated “ A certain region in space with powerful gravitational force that even light cannot space”, later re-monickered as black hole,  rejected black hole until his death in 1955. Dr. Stephen Hawking, the No. One proponent of black hole in modern time, later changed mind and recanted “event horizon” in 2004. Event horizon means the delineating line of black hole on which light cannot escape .

.In a capsule, there is no black hole, only super-giant boiling object in outer space,(  like the boiling  sun), and that the spewing gas and dust that completely  envelop the supposed black hole is SOLVED.(artists’perception/simulation showing a big central black are merely illustration, not the actual)

:Further clarification| Where does the burning gas and dust that completely engulf come from? Dust and gas dont burn by tthemselves unless there is behind the real source, the burning core, supposedly the hidden black hole of galaxy.. Thus,, the burning gas and dust that cloths and brightens galaxies, carries with it into outer space  the main source of light, the core, that stretches far into space and reaches earth, say, 13 billion light years! This is one of the strongest proof how and why light escapes from supposed black hole. jsaldea 2.4.19

.jose s. aldea
Physicist
Roxas City, Philippines
Revised Copyright/published 2018-19 (consolidation)
With copyrights/or published 2016-18

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 (B)Expanded: The dust and gas that completely envelops black hole is SOLVED
 
Why  is there  that intriguing dust and gas that completely envelopes the supposed black  thus makes  black hole  invisible? The simple explanation is like a boiling water that evaporates and release H2O into atmosphere. In like manner, black hole is super-heat object,   billions of centigrades that it boils and spews gas and dust that extends far over the event horizon, call it black hole wind,  thus, no matter what, black hole is  invisible to VISIBLE light ray. reiterating, Black hole is liken to  a boiling water which  evaporates and releases H2O to atmosphere.

The fact that core of black hole  is reached and detected by all other electro-magnetic spectrum, X-ray, radio ray,  ultra violet ray etc.  and feed back to astronomical telescopes, prove  such spectrum ESCAPE black hole!!! Why visible light cannot penetrate the core of black hole. it is one nature of electromagnetic spectrum that light can only contact the SURFACE of matter, in this case the surface of glowing DUST AND GAS of  galaxy, but not the interior.

As observed by conglomerate EHT group  and all other astronomical groups, they have never seen visually the core of black hole, only the cover up  densed gas and dust that extend far beyond the EH. That this dust and gas blown up over the EH  although what is undeniably observed is that super dense object,  4 million times the mass of sun, called black hole, UNSEEN BY VISIBLE LIGHT BUT DETECTED BY ALL OTHER ELECTROAGNETIC SPECTRUM.

Now it is becoming clear what is that giant object, called black hole  as its cover up dust and gas are identified to be ITS OWN release of energy that completely envelop, itself, the black hole, but, it is invisible to light. Such core of galaxy, called black hole,   is just a super-giant body, no INVISIBLE  black hole on which light cannot escape,.  emanated/constructed on the same principle  like the  star, earth, that became  super-super body:  for  black hole originated from small matters.

Further clarification: The ejected dual opposite jets of super-galaxy, , speeding almost speed of light, is super-heat,  trillions Celsius. These  jets are ejected from the center of galaxy, implicating  the  super-heat extend  at its surface that it boils and spews dust and gas to extend farther outside  the EH. Light cannot penetrate these dense gas and dust but only the surface thereof, thus the interior is black hole? because light cannot penetrate. But  all other electro-magnetic spectrum, of which light belongs,  can penetrate, X-ray, radio, etc. and can reflect  info  there is the giant object inside shrouded by dust and gas the making of its own self!! That there is that  reflected info from the core or black hole itself proves electro-magnetic spectrum, of which light belongs, escapes!!!.



.jose s. aldea
Physicist
Roxas City
January 31, 2019…

[Bored chemist]

NASA has better things to do.
I'm not sure who you mean by EHT.

You say it's "boiling".
To do that it must be liquid.
What liquid do you think it is made from?

[Kryptid]

If you want a comment from NASA, then this is the wrong place to post this.

Thanks to LIGO and VIRGO, we know that black holes exist because of their unique gravitational wave signature.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

1n 2017, finally detected in super-collision of two black holes and confirmed  repeatedly that  the speed of gravitational waves  and light are the same , 360,000miles per sec.,  . Why the same?  It is because  both electro-magnetic waves and ight are the function of the medium, called spacetime! But can such gravitational waves of clashing black holes cause ripples of spacetime that can reach earch after   billions of light years travel. It cannot be. Here is the proof: A magnet has attraction that stretches limitedly, The sun has attraction gravity that  diminishes in outer space limitedly. In like4 manner, gravitational waves which requires super-collision to cause ripples on frame of spacetime has the same limited stretch. But. Light, on the other hand, is constant, it just flows, effortlessly,  no need of super-collisions. In outer space, it stretches far, far out in space, even a billion light years away, to reach earth and be seen in astronomical telescope. That detected gravitational waves, “chirp” sound, is not the making of gravitational waves…it is the making of light, that sound and image, for gravitational waves cannot travel that billion of light years to  reach earth! Another proof that light escapes from the  supposed black hole Jsaldea12   Feb. 11, 2019

 

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Please permit further clarification. Light is the carrier of image and sound tht reachs earth, like in TVs., not gravitational waves. jsaldea12.

[Kryptid]

1n 2017, finally detected in super-collision of two black holes and confirmed  repeatedly that  the speed of gravitational waves  and light are the same , 360,000miles per sec.,

Not even close. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second.

Why the same?

Because both are generated by massless fields.

It is because  both electro-magnetic waves and ight are the function of the medium, called spacetime!

Citation needed.

But can such gravitational waves of clashing black holes cause ripples of spacetime that can reach earch after   billions of light years travel.

Yes.

It cannot be.

And yet it is.

Here is the proof: A magnet has attraction that stretches limitedly,

No it doesn't. The strength of a magnetic field varies according to the inverse cube law. The attraction between two magnets will drop exponentially as the distance between them increases. Eventually, the attraction is so weak that you won't be able to feel it with your hands. It is, however, still there.

The sun has attraction gravity that  diminishes in outer space limitedly.

Also wrong. Gravity obeys the inverse square law. It gets weaker with distance but the strength never falls to zero.

In like4 manner, gravitational waves which requires super-collision to cause ripples on frame of spacetime has the same limited stretch.

Nope. See the previous answer.

But. Light, on the other hand, is constant, it just flows, effortlessly,  no need of super-collisions. In outer space, it stretches far, far out in space, even a billion light years away, to reach earth and be seen in astronomical telescope.

Light obeys the inverse square law as well. It falls off at the exact same rate as gravitational strength and electric field strength. A source of light does appear dimmer as distances increase from the source.

That detected gravitational waves, “chirp” sound, is not the making of gravitational waves…it is the making of light, that sound and image, for gravitational waves cannot travel that billion of light years to  reach earth!

This demonstrates that you have no idea how LIGO and VIRGO operate. They detect gravitational waves by measuring the compressing and stretching of two laser beams set at right angles to each other. A gravitational wave will cause one beam to stretch while compressing the other simultaneously. This is a trait unique to gravitational waves. Electromagnetic waves cannot do this.

Another proof that light escapes from the  supposed black hole Jsaldea12   Feb. 11, 2019

A "proof" based on faulty information. I strongly doubt that you are an actual physicist.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

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Here are jsa12 responses:
Jsaldea12:1n 2017, finally detected in super-collision of two black holes and confirmed  repeatedly that  the speed of gravitational waves  and light are the same , 360,000miles per sec.,

Quote:: Not even close. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second.

Jsaldea12: Yes, 186,000 miles per sec. ( I  black out!)

Quote::Because both are generated by massless fields.
 
Jsaldea12: That massless field is no other than the frame of spacetime

Ijsaldea12: is because  both electro-magnetic waves and light are the function of the medium,

Quore:Citation needed.
jsaldea12: Don’t you know that light has a medium called spacetime and gravitational waves is also the ripple of spacetime. There is nothing in the unverse that is not occupied by spacetime. Meaning space itself has frames.!..
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Jsaldea12But can such gravitational waves of clashing black holes cause ripples of spacetime that can reach earch after   billions of light years trave?l.

Quote Yes.


Jsa: It cannot be.

quote :And yet it is.

Jsa: Here is the proof: A magnet has attraction that stretches limitedly,

Quote: No it doesn't. The strength of a magnetic field varies according to the inverse cube law. The attraction between two magnets will drop exponentially as the distance between them increases. Eventually, the attraction is so weak that you won't be able to feel it with your hands. It is, however, still there.

Jsa: EXACTLY
Jsa:The sun has attraction gravity that  diminishes in outer space limitedly.

Quote Also wrong. Gravity obeys the inverse square law. It gets weaker with distance but the strength never falls to zero.
jsa: The longe the travel, the weaker and weaker gravity until it cannot be felt anymore.

Quote In like manner, gravitational waves which requires super-collision to cause ripples on frame of spacetime has the same limited stretch.
Jsa: Yes
Quote Nope. See the previous answer.
jsa: O yes.

Quote: But. Light, on the other hand, is constant, it just flows, effortlessly,  no need of super-collisions. In outer space, it stretches far, far out in space, even a billion light years away, to reach earth and be seen in astronomical telescope.

quote:Light obeys the inverse square law as well. It falls off at the exact same rate as gravitational strength and electric field strength. A source of light does appear dimmer as distances increase from the source.
jsa: No, gravitational waves requires super-strong collision to create ripples., light just flows effortlessly..

jsa: That detected gravitational waves, “chirp” sound, is not the making of gravitational waves…it is the making of light, that sound and image, for gravitational waves cannot travel that billion of light years to  reach earth!

Quote:This demonstrates that you have no idea how LIGO and VIRGO operate. They detect gravitational waves by measuring the compressing and stretching of two laser beams set at right angles to each other. A gravitational wave will cause one beam to stretch while compressing the other simultaneously. This is a trait unique to gravitational waves. Electromagnetic waves cannot do this.
jsa: I know LIGO,    just as I know Michelson-Morley experiment. LIGO operates on the same principle , only LIGO applies/ works further to space measurement of gravitatiorial wave..

Jsa: Another proof that light escapes from the  supposed black hole Jsaldea12   Feb. 11, 2019

quote::A "proof" based on faulty information. I strongly doubt that you are an actually a physicist.




Jsa:  That the detected, confirmed  speed of gravitational waves has the same speed of light  of 186,000 does not mean ALL THE WAY, GRAVITATIONA WAVES CAN MAINTAIN,SUSTAIN SUCH STRENGTH that can reach earth after billion of years travel. But light has CONSTANT SPEED, very capable of surmounting such distance to reach earth. That detected “chirp” sound, by gravitational waves, was caused at the start of clash of  two black holes..some billion light years BEFORE that arrives only now on earth and  as captured by astronomical telescope. Only light is the carrier of images, videos, and sound, NOT gravitational waves. Jsa 2.11.19 

But we are deviating from the subject: the dust and gas enveoping black hole is the making of the supposed black hole.

[Bored chemist]

That the detected, confirmed  speed of gravitational waves has the same speed of light  of 186,000 does not mean ALL THE WAY, GRAVITATIONA WAVES CAN MAINTAIN,SUSTAIN SUCH STRENGTH that can reach earth after billion of years travel. But light has CONSTANT SPEED

Putting it in CAPITAL LETTERS does not make  it true.

Also, why do you write this at the bottom of your posts?
 

.jose s. aldea
Physicist
Roxas City

It's pretty clear that you are not a physicist by any worthwhile definition.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

That  gravitational waves is the signature of black hole? It takes a supra-energy release of two clashing supposed black hole to extract such ripples called gravitational waves . Just how extremely difficult is that to create that kind of waves is unimaginable.Thus,  how can such supra- tight ripples sustain and  reach earth after , say, 10 billion light years. But the question is how can that gravitational waves  be the signature of black hole, just because it speeds off, with light, as detected at the supra- heat jets emanating from the center of super-galaxy, where the supposed black hole resides. The supra-jets  on both sides of the super galaxy  means simply there is a very dense giant object at the center with  inherent  positive and negative , like earth, sun, with north and south poles , that is supra-boiling that it manifests  such supra-boiling at the surface, spewing dust and gas that entirely covers up that large boiling  object in the center of super-galaxy, but because  of the cover-up dust and gas, that object cannot be seen by visible light, thus it is invisible?  No, it is not invisible, just entirely clothed by dust and gas, it is not black hole. jsa 2.12.19

[Bored chemist]

Light interacts with matter through the electromagnetic force.
Gravity interacts with matter through the gravitational force.
Gravity is about 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times weaker than the electromagnetic force.
So, if light can get across galaxies without getting stopped by something in the way, why don't you think that gravity can?

Obviously, because gravity is so weak (a fly can overcome the gravity of the whole planet), it is hard to detect gravity waves.
Even large complex detectors like LIGO can only spot the signals from truly huge events.
They can see the collision of two black holes.
We know it's two black holes; mainly because nothing else would generate a big enough signal.

Incidentally, NASA is not a member of this forum so they are never going to reply.

[Kryptid]

jsa: The longe the travel, the weaker and weaker gravity until it cannot be felt anymore.

If you understood the inverse square law, you would know that gravitational field strength never goes all the way to zero, regardless the of the distances involved.

Just how extremely difficult is that to create that kind of waves is unimaginable.

This is the argument from incredulity fallacy.

jsa: I know LIGO,    just as I know Michelson-Morley experiment. LIGO operates on the same principle , only LIGO applies/ works further to space measurement of gravitatiorial wave..

If you knew how LIGO worked, then you would know that it can't detect light or any other form of electromagnetic radiation.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

A scientist,, Priyamvada Natarajan, proposed, as early as 2017,  “that the gas and dust (enveloping supposed black hole) could be  cosmic wind. She theorized black holes could produce a sort of cosmic wind — a hot, fast-moving gas that could drift for thousands of light years and form stars on the edges of galaxies.”.
A number of highly qualified physicists had detected the gas and dust  as “fountain” arising from the center of galaxy where black hole resides. But the description of an unnamed UCLA physicist was becoming concrete to identifying that gas and dust ejected from the center of galaxy and return back to the  center, and even observed further the  gas and dust were blown out straight outward. As observed further by UCLA  unnamed physicist, something like this: “ detected beneath the dust and gas is giant  physical object, not the traditional black hole on which light cannot escape, but that matter tha comes close to the object will be sucked in  never to come out. He is closest to reality. I believe there are many other physicists who think otherwise the concept of black hole is not right..
This revelation of undersigned that the dust and gas enveloping supposed black hole  is nothing  but its  own making: the core, where supposed black hole resides,  is simply boiling billion to trillion Celsius interiorly, and expelling to the surface  boiling evaorating  dust and gas that returns back to the surface of the supposed black hole. This revelation is not a small matter, NASA, EHT,  and other astrophysics have no reason to  ignore.

…. About the gravitational waves detected by Laser Interferometer Gravitational Observatory (LIGO).  Respected LEGO uses laser, concentrated light,  to detect the “chirp” sound, “ as converted from electro-magnetic data”, and input to photo detector. All the process. from detection of interference of light to conversion to sound “ chirp” , involves the making of electro-magnetic spectrum, especially visible light, because.  light is the visible carrier of image and sound. Jsaldea12    Feb..12, 2019.

[Kryptid]

…. About the gravitational waves detected by Laser Interferometer Gravitational Observatory (LIGO).  Respected LEGO uses laser, concentrated light,  to detect the “chirp” sound, “ as converted from electro-magnetic data”, and input to photo detector. All the process. from detection of interference of light to conversion to sound “ chirp” , involves the making of electro-magnetic spectrum, especially visible light, because.  light is the visible carrier of image and sound. Jsaldea12    Feb..12, 2019.

Yes, it detects the laser light that the machine itself produces. It can't detect light from astronomical sources (the pipes that the laser beams are sent through are underground). Again, light doesn't mimic the stretch-strain signature of a gravitational wave anyhow, so if a foreign light signal did somehow get through, the scientists observing would know it.

[Bored chemist]

She theorized black holes could produce a sort of cosmic wind — a hot, fast-moving gas that could drift for thousands of light years and form stars on the edges of galaxies.”.

Prove that she said that.

All the process. from detection of interference of light to conversion to sound “ chirp” , involves the making of electro-magnetic spectrum, especially visible light, because.  light is the visible carrier of image and sound.

No.
You are simply wrong.
The detection process is that the gravity wave moves some lumps of metal.

The lasers + stuff measure that movement, but they are lasers based inside the machine.

Glad to see you stopped lying about being a physicist.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

i am a natural scientisat- inventor. How can you explain this statement from LIGO itself::
."LIGO has detected both merging black holes and merging neutron stars, and the differences in their signals is quite striking. As expected, LIGO's first black hole merger detection produced a signal just two-tenths of a second long! The signal was converted from electromagnetic data into an audible sound we call a "chirp".. Note "THE SIGNAL WAS CONVERTED FROM MAGNETIC DATA INTO AN AUDIBLE SOUND WE CALL A "CHIRP".  Something you miss to know:: there is nothing, nothing in matter, planets, stars, galaxies, even  all occupying spacetime,  without inherent positive and negative.  property... Spacetime is real with unseparated positive and negative. But as communications are transmitted from radio, TV, satellites, s through the  air, through SPACETIME, such transmissions are separated into positive and negative, otherwise no radio, no TV, no internet..

Reiterating, it is the too dense dust and gas that envelops supposed holes that makes it invisible but it is not invisible, it is just that light  can only contact the  surface, the surface which is the clothing all over  dust ahd gas. Without that dust and gas, that supposed black hole is bare, just like the visible planets, the stars. THERE IS NO BLACK HOLE.  jsaldea12. Feb. 12,.2019.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Adding: both gravitational waves and light are the function of spacetime. jsa

[The Spoon]

i am a natural scientisat- inventor

It is pretty obvious from your posts that you are not any kind of scientist. Your grammar and spelling is also appalling.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

I have proven to you by my posts what a genuine physicist is, not depending but original like Newton, like Einstein. By now you know me. Do you agree that gravitational waves and light  waves are the function, the making of spacetime.? That there is nothing in this universe without positive and negative property? Even you have such inate property.  Both male and female, each, is endowed with positive and negative  property.  jsa   FEB. 12, 2019

[The Spoon]

I have proven to you by my posts what a genuine physicist is, not depending but original like Newton, like Einstein. By now you know me. Do you agree that gravitational waves and light  waves are the function, the making of spacetime.? That there is nothing in this universe without positive and negative property? Even you have such inate property.  Both male and female, each, is endowed with positive and negative  property.  jsa   FEB. 12, 2019

I have proven to you by my posts what a genuine physicist is, not depending but original like Newton, like Einstein.

No you havent. You do realise the Newton and Einstein didnt just think up their ideas out of thin air do you? They had a good understanding of what went before. This is the problem with people like you, you compare yourselves to great physicists claiming you are 'original', but are to lazy to actually do the hard work of learning the subject first. All you have proved is your foolishness.

[Kryptid]

Note "THE SIGNAL WAS CONVERTED FROM MAGNETIC DATA INTO AN AUDIBLE SOUND WE CALL A "CHIRP"

The electromagnetic data they speak of is from the laser beam in the apparatus.