[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Do you know how Dr. Albert Einstein solved the anomalous precession of Mercury of 42.9 arc/sec. century.? This query is not directed to anyone in particular. Why some astrophysicists at that time were amazed there is room for adjustment solution of Dr. Einstein. . It was perfect! For more that 50 years, since 1864 up to 1915, all the astronomical societies of the world were hard pressed how to solve the anomalous precession which no one can deny was there 42.9 arc/sec. century. All astonomical tdelescopes attested that there is that ACTUAL anomalous precession of 42.9 which cannot be solved.l Until Dr. Einstein entered into the picture and he solved it perfectly..

[The Spoon]

Why is this the New Theories section?

[Halc]

Why is this the New Theories section?

No doubt due to where jsaldea12 is intending to take the topic.

The precession is not unique to Mercury.  All orbiting objects have it, but it is most apparent in Mercury, having the greatest dilation due to gravitational effects.  The effect is even more noticeable in other objects whose orbit can be monitored with some reasonable accuracy such as S2, but S2 hasn't got the clutter-free orbit that Mercury does, so it's motion is hardly Keplerian.

The solution to Mercury's orbit fell out of general relativity.  GR was not adjusted in any way to account for it

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Do answer my query. jsa

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Do transfer this topic to astronomy

[mad aetherist]

Do you know how Dr. Albert Einstein solved the anomalous precession of Mercury of 42.9 arc/sec. century.? This query is not directed to anyone in particular. Why some astrophysicists at that time were amazed there is room for adjustment solution of Dr. Einstein. . It was perfect! For more that 50 years, since 1864 up to 1915, all the astronomical societies of the world were hard pressed how to solve the anomalous precession which no one can deny was there 42.9 arc/sec. century. All astonomical tdelescopes attested that there is that ACTUAL anomalous precession of 42.9 which cannot be solved.l Until Dr. Einstein entered into the picture and he solved it perfectly..

(1) Alby solved nothing. His SR &  GR are complete krapp. They are goodish mathtricks at best.  But a mathtrick cannot solve anything or explain anything, ie giving a real or actual basis.
(2) Alby solved nothing. His GR solution was derived working backwards from the needed number (its called fraud).
(3) Alby solved nothing.  The 43 arcsec number has not been well established. It is difficult to measure. It varies so much from year to year.
(4) Alby solved nothing.  At least two sources say that numerical methods for solving the equations give nonsense orbits (the orbits end up off the page).
(5) Alby solved nothing.  His equations give bad precessions for other precessions. So bad that not only are the numbers bad, but they are in the wrong direction.
(6) Alby solved nothing.  His equation is word salad. Crothers & Robitaille have shown that his equation does not even obey the law of intensity on one side needing to be matched by intensity on the other side.
(7) Alby solved nothing.  He gives no explanation for how a sun can affect the precession or give precession to a planet under his GR. Excluding tidal effects, which do not enter his GR anyhow.  Remember, we are not talking here of whether a sun can somehow affect precession, we are talking about whether Alby's silly GR equation makes sense, & more than that we are talking about whether it explains anything.
(8 ) Dr Alby solved nothing. Because he wasnt a Dr.
(9) Alby solved nothing. I mean nothing. Ever. Not precession, not bending of light, not Brownian motion. Nothing. All of his stuff was flawed or nonsense, or if smelling anything like nice it was plagiarised.
(10) The secondary precession of Mercury was not solved untill 2019, by myself.  The 43 arcsec or whatever it really is is due to the primary precession of Mercury.  All primary precessions must create a secondary precession.  I think i have explained this in another thread.

(10 cont) My discovery was undoubtedly a monumental breathtaking miracle of brainpower, one of the cleverest ideas in physics, the epitome of the rise of logic, of consciousness itself even, but unfortunately not likely to lead to any worthwhile spinoff kinds of advances. Its not much more than being just of interest, not the sort of thing that deserves consideration for a Nobel, but very smart anyhow.
Imagine what i might have been able to do had i ever spent time inside a University. I would have been brainwashed like all of u fellows, good at math, & happy to be a member of a dictatorial cult.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

You really dig deep. Please show the equation of Dr. Einstein which is amazing. But you know!!

[Kryptid]

The secondary precession of Mercury was not solved untill 2019, by myself.

My discovery was undoubtedly a monumental breathtaking miracle of brainpower, one of the cleverest ideas in physics, the epitome of the rise of logic, of consciousness itself even

 

You really dig deep. Please show the equation of Dr. Einstein which is amazing. But you know!!

I wouldn't put too much stock in anything you see mad aetherist say: he's a science denialist. He seems to believe that the majority of physicists are either stupid, brainwashed or part of a conspiracy.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Please do show the AMAZING EQUATION of  Dr. Einstein how he solved the anomalous precession of Mercury..how he outwitted the whole astronomical world who knew astronomy much, much  much more than Dr. Einstein who knew little but because of  his GR, he was sure that that anomalous precession of mercury could be one big answer to his concept of spacetime.

[Janus]

Please do show the AMAZING EQUATION of  Dr. Einstein how he solved the anomalous precession of Mercury..how he outwitted the whole astronomical world who knew astronomy much, much  much more than Dr. Einstein who knew little but because of  his GR, he was sure that that anomalous precession of mercury could be one big answer to his concept of spacetime.

I'm not sure what you are getting at.  The astronomers of the time could measure the precession of Mercury.  They also knew how much Mercury should precess given the known factors and using Newtonian physics.  Their measurements showed a larger precession for Mercury than they could account for.
For a while it was assumed that there was another planet closer to the the Sun that we had not found yet ( they even gave this hypothetical planet the name "Vulcan"), that was the cause.  But as time went by it became apparent that no such planet existed.
Einstien's General Relativity theory for gravity introduced another effect to Mercury's precession.  The extra precession predicted for Mercury matched the extra precession that could not be accounted for by Newton.  This has nothing to do with Einstein knowing any more about astronomy than the astronomers of the time, just that when his theory of gravity was applied to that problem it provided a solution.

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Please  show the AMAZING EQUATION of  Dr. Einstein how he solved the anomalous precession of Mercury,..how he outwitted the whole  astronomical world who knew astronomy  with 100% accuracy, much more than Dr. Einstein (who knew little) but because of  his GR, his concept of spacetime (which is real)  he was sure could explain that anomalous precession of mercury . As commented amazingly by astrophysicts at that time." there is no allowance or error in the solution of Dr. Einstein" , ecause it was perfect mathematical  solution.. How did he do it. All astronomical telescopes confirmed: there was that anomalous precession of Mercury. of 42.9 or rounded 43 arc/sec century., whether 42.9 or 43 figure, arrives at perfect the solution . . jsaldea12  Feb. 14, 2019

[evan_au]

Do you know how Dr. Albert Einstein solved the anomalous precession of Mercury of 42.9 arc/sec. century.?
... . It was perfect!

It's wasn't totally perfect...
- There was still a difference between the measured value of Mercury's precession, and the prediction from Einstein's special relativity corrections
- But it was still a lot more accurate than predictions based on Newton's theory of gravity
- If there was only Mercury and a neutron star, it would be relatively easy to calculate
- However, all the other planets exert small tugs on the orbit of Mercury over the course of a century, and these must be taken into account (not so easy, in the days before computers!)
- And the Sun is not a gravitational point source, but has a distinct equatorial bulge due to centrifugal force which also tugs on the orbit of Mercury
- The mass of the Sun was known, but the internal distribution of that mass was not known so well
- No doubt the orbit of mercury exerts small tidal effects in the Sun which interacts with the orbit of Mercury

So, like all messy physical phenomena, the reality does not agree perfectly with the basic theory, and you need all sorts of corrections.
- But modern helioseismology gives us a more detailed picture of the internal structure of the Sun, so the value calculated from relativity is closer today (43 seconds of arc per century).

Please  show the AMAZING EQUATION of  Dr. Einstein

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession#General_relativity

[mad aetherist]

Please  show the AMAZING EQUATION of  Dr. Einstein

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession#General_relativity

How does Einstein's relativity give precession?  I reckon that no kind of relativity Einsteinian or Lorentzian can give precession (unless invoking some kind of tidal effect)(which Einstein doesnt).

[Janus]

Please  show the AMAZING EQUATION of  Dr. Einstein

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession#General_relativity

How does Einstein's relativity give precession?  I reckon that no kind of relativity Einsteinian or Lorentzian can give precession (unless invoking some kind of tidal effect)(which Einstein doesnt).

If you assume an ideal situation of a  planet orbiting a perfectly spherical Star, with no other planets introducing any additional gravitational effects, Then that planet if put in an elliptical orbit, it would not precess according to Newton's Laws of gravity. This is due to the fact that Newtonian gravity falls off exactly by the square of the distance.  If gravity however falls of by anything else but by the square of the distance, a precession will result. 
Einstein's GR theory of gravity predicts that gravity doesn't fall off exactly by the square of the distance.  This difference increases as you get closer to the Sun, and thus is enough to produce a measurable additional precession beyond that produced by other influences for Mercury, with it being close to the Sun and having a relatively eccentric orbit.

[mad aetherist]

Please  show the AMAZING EQUATION of  Dr. Einstein

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession#General_relativity

How does Einstein's relativity give precession?  I reckon that no kind of relativity Einsteinian or Lorentzian can give precession (unless invoking some kind of tidal effect)(which Einstein doesnt).

If you assume an ideal situation of a  planet orbiting a perfectly spherical Star, with no other planets introducing any additional gravitational effects, Then that planet if put in an elliptical orbit, it would not precess according to Newton's Laws of gravity. This is due to the fact that Newtonian gravity falls off exactly by the square of the distance.  If gravity however falls of by anything else but by the square of the distance, a precession will result. 
Einstein's GR theory of gravity predicts that gravity doesn't fall off exactly by the square of the distance.  This difference increases as you get closer to the Sun, and thus is enough to produce a measurable additional precession beyond that produced by other influences for Mercury, with it being close to the Sun and having a relatively eccentric orbit.

How does relativity change the 1/RR for smaller R's?
If there is such a change, wouldnt it be symmetrical, ie wouldnt it apply equally for the inbound & outbound parts of each orbit (ie no precession)?

A separate point.  I am also thinking that the 1/RR is not as critical as one might think, i think that we would have a functioning solar system if gravity was a 1/R thing, ie we would have orbits (& precessions).
After all, the Milky Way has a 1/R thing (which the Einsteinian mafia says is a 1/RR thing with lots of Dark Matter mixed in to make it look 1/R).

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

BUT PLEASE SHOW THE AMAZING SOLUTION OF  DR. EINSTEIN  IN SIMPLE MATH EQUATION. HERE IS ANOTHER CLUE: WHETHER THE ANOMALOUS PRECESSION OF MERCURY IS 42.9 OR 43 ARC/SEC CENTURY, THE SOLUTION IS PERFECT. I think you know the answer, just circling. jsaldea12 feb 15, 2019

[mad aetherist]

BUT PLEASE SHOW THE AMAZING SOLUTION OF  DR. EINSTEIN  IN SIMPLE MATH EQUATION. HERE IS ANOTHER CLUE: WHETHER THE ANOMALOUS PRECESSION OF MERCURY IS 42.9 OR 43 ARC/SEC CENTURY, THE SOLUTION IS PERFECT. I think you know the answer, just circling. jsaldea12 feb 15, 2019

U can find papers that  explain that the arcsec cant possibly be measured or known to better than 3.0 arcsec.
And furthermore that the annual arcsec varies by miles from year to year.
And furthermore that they dont actually work with the position of Mercury, they work with the observed position using old light that is say 449 sec old & has been bent to boot.
And the obs are done near the Sun's limb (a hi jinx area).
And that the majority of the arcsec is a pseudo-arcsec due to Earth's wobble, which is not well understood & for which the numbers are not well established.
And much much much more.

Did u know that Einstein's silly nonsensical word-salad equation says that the arcsec for Mars is 1 arcsec per century when we know that it is 10 arcsecs. Hey everyone, look over there, its a black hole.
PLEASE SHOW FOR MARS THE AMAZING SOLUTION OF  DR. EINSTEIN  IN SIMPLE MATH EQUATION, THE SOLUTION IS PERFECT, IT IS 1 ARCSEC OR 10 ARCSEC. Until Dr. Einstein entered into the picture and he solved it perfectly..

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

Quoted "Einstein's GR theory of gravity predicts that gravity doesn't fall off exactly by the square of the distance.  This difference increases as you get closer to the Sun, and thus is enough to produce a measurable additional precession beyond that produced by other influences for Mercury, with it being close to the Sun and having a relatively eccentric orbit. Here is another clue. jsaldea121  Feb. 15, 2019

[Kryptid]

BUT PLEASE SHOW THE AMAZING SOLUTION OF  DR. EINSTEIN  IN SIMPLE MATH EQUATION. HERE IS ANOTHER CLUE: WHETHER THE ANOMALOUS PRECESSION OF MERCURY IS 42.9 OR 43 ARC/SEC CENTURY, THE SOLUTION IS PERFECT. I think you know the answer, just circling. jsaldea12 feb 15, 2019

The equation is in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity#Perihelion_precession_of_Mercury

[jsaldea12 (OP)]

There is no equation in your referred article.. The solution  of Dr. Einstein  can be reduced to simple math equation that everyone can understand and say, it us a very beautiful equation but what is th simple math equation.."Mad Aetheist" I think has good inkling of the amazing simple equation. The solutions pertains  not only of Mercury, but of all the planets but did not SHOW THE CORRECT SIMPLE MATH EQUATION. Maybe, the veteran briliant author, not Mad Aetheist, has another equation, the common  astronomical parlance equations,  lengthy and difficult  to understand but arrive at the same result..
Now, we know what is this anomalous precession. It is just that planets, like Mercury, is inching , orbiting, closer to the sun. Just like GP-B. that no matter what, satellites in space within range of gravity of earth,  will eventually fall fo earth, makes no difference whether it will take a decade, a hundred years, a thousand or million years. That is the anomalous precession.. jsaldea12   Feb. 16, 2019,