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The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« on: 24/03/2019 00:15:50 »
Fundamental Forces

All matters are made from atoms, all atoms are made from charged particles.

Charged particles only carry electrostatic force, therefore all forces matters carried must be electrostatic force in nature. Same charges repel each other, opposite charges attract each other.

Strong and weak force are imaginary, never can be measured or calculated. If there is strong force that can make protons stick together, there must be a strong force carrier, and it must be negative charged. If there is a weak force, what is the force carrier? What is its charge? How can all atoms are neutrally charged?

Magnetic force is circular electrostatic force carried by magnet or circular current. Magnet north pole carries clockwise electric force, south pole carries counterclockwise electric force.   

Coulomb's force and gravity are the most accurate measured forces in labs. Magnetic force is used daily.

From Coulomb's Law, we can calculate the universal levitation force between matter 1 and matter 2 at distance R, which is the repulsion force between lines of sight electrons on the surface of matter 1 and matter 2. F=Ke x q1q2/R^2, q1 and q2 are total charge of lines of sight electrons on matter 1 and matter 2.

Levity is 10^36 times stronger than gravity, how come matters are still attracting each other with gravity?

Because gravity is the net electrostatic force between charged particles between neutrally charged matters.

All positive charges in matter 1 attract all negative charges in matter 2 and repel all positive charges, all negative charges in matter 1 attract all positive charges in matter 2 and repel all negative charges.

Due to electrostatic force induction between neutrally charges matters, the net force is always a weak attraction force we called gravity F=G x m1m2/R^2.

Gravity causes matter formation, planet in orbit. Coulomb's force and levity causes all other nature phenomenon. Such as quantum entanglement, induction, photoelectric effect, radiation and light.

Forces are coexisting with matters, forces are continuing and instantaneously through out space, therefore energy able to teleport between matters.

Hot plasma on the Sun carry vibrating electrostatic force/energy, that energy teleport to Earth outer atmosphere through levity and propagate in air at light speed.

LIGO mistaken detected gravity wave from 1.3 billion years ago, gravity is instantaneous, gravity wave is instant. If gravity is not instantaneous, no planets can have stable orbit.

Scientists mistaken accurate measured Milky Way Galaxy total mass. They thought far away stars are from the past, light is photon particles traveling in space at light speed.

The fact is all matters and energy are existing at forever ongoing now, nothing is existing in the past or future. There is no such thing as photon particle, no photon or EM wave traveling in space at light speed.

Light is vibrating electrostatic force carried by vibrating electrons propagating through matter produced mechanical wave. Light can only coexist with matter, charge and plasma. Light speed in a medium is the rate of induction of electrostatic force. There is no light in space, light teleport between matters in space instantly.

All theories based on light speed in vacuum space is C are mistaken.

Stars are not fusion reactors. Stars don’t radiate light into space at light speed at all directions. Energy must coexist with matter. Stars only radiate thermal energy with planets according to their distance. If stars are fusion reactors, where is all the energy produced in the past? Why the temperature of the universe is not raising up?

All energy is came from atom formation, opposite charged particles attract each other, same charged particles repel each other, atoms able to form and carry formation energy, which is vibration electrostatic force carried by vibrating charged particles. Every atom is a perpetual machine.

The more atoms attracted together under gravity, the bigger mass, the higher energy density, the higher temperature and the higher vibration frequency.

The Sun shares its thermal energy with Earth, also works as a heat sink, it keeps Earth temperature stable. All the heat we produced is radiated to the Sun, therefore Earth temperature is not raising up.

Energy is conserved, the universe is a perpetual machine, the big bang theory is mistaken.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #1 on: 24/03/2019 02:57:50 »
Oh great, another science denialist...

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 00:15:50
Strong and weak force are imaginary, never can be measured or calculated.

Oh yes they can be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukawa_interaction, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy,

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 00:15:50
If there is strong force that can make protons stick together, there must be a strong force carrier, and it must be negative charged.

There is a carrier, but it isn't negatively-charged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluon

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If there is a weak force, what is the force carrier?

The W and Z vector bosons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_bosons

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What is its charge?

+1, 0 and -1 (there are three different particles involved).

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How can all atoms are neutrally charged?

They're not. Some are ionized.

Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 00:15:50
From Coulomb's Law, we can calculate the universal levitation force between matter 1 and matter 2 at distance R, which is the repulsion force between lines of sight electrons on the surface of matter 1 and matter 2. F=Ke x q1q2/R^2, q1 and q2 are total charge of lines of sight electrons on matter 1 and matter 2.

Electrons in two pieces of matter might repel each other, but they also attract the protons in each piece of matter. Don't forget that in your calculations.

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Levity is 10^36 times stronger than gravity

Citation needed.

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Because gravity is the net electrostatic force between charged particles between neutrally charged matters.

No, it isn't. Gravity also attracts objects with no charge at all, such as light.

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All positive charges in matter 1 attract all negative charges in matter 2 and repel all positive charges, all negative charges in matter 1 attract all positive charges in matter 2 and repel all negative charges.

Due to electrostatic force induction between neutrally charges matters, the net force is always a weak attraction force we called gravity F=G x m1m2/R^2.

Please post the math showing that this matches the known strength of gravity.

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LIGO mistaken detected gravity wave from 1.3 billion years ago, gravity is instantaneous, gravity wave is instant.

There was no mistake. Gravitational waves travel at the speed of light. This was measured to be true.

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If gravity is not instantaneous, no planets can have stable orbit.

Based on what reasoning?

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Scientists mistaken accurate measured Milky Way Galaxy total mass. They thought far away stars are from the past, light is photon particles traveling in space at light speed.

The fact is all matters and energy are existing at forever ongoing now, nothing is existing in the past or future. There is no such thing as photon particle, no photon or EM wave traveling in space at light speed.

We know that photons exist. We have instruments that can detect them one at a time: https://www.qdusa.com/products/single-photon-detector.html

We also know how fast light travels, and it isn't instantaneous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Measurement

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All theories based on light speed in vacuum space is C are mistaken.

We have measured the speed of light in a vacuum as being c: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rspa.1948.0085

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Stars are not fusion reactors.

Yes they are. Their neutrino emission is a strong piece of evidence for this, as is their composition and behavior (they go through different life stages based on what elements they are fusing).

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Stars don’t radiate light into space at light speed at all directions.

Yes they do. See my link where the speed of light in a vacuum was measured.

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Stars only radiate thermal energy with planets according to their distance.

If that was true, they would have cooled off long ago. Yet they have been burning bright for millions or billions of years.

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If stars are fusion reactors, where is all the energy produced in the past?

Spreading out thinner and thinner as it travels through space.

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Why the temperature of the universe is not raising up?

Because (1) the universe is expanding, and (2) stars make up an absurdly tiny percentage of the total volume of the visible universe.

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the big bang theory is mistaken.

If it is, it isn't because of anything you've stated.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #2 on: 24/03/2019 04:54:03 »
Gravity is inherited force, coexist with matters. It is always attracting matters, never stop, continuing. Therefore it is instantaneous. Simple fact. Too simple and obvious, smart people over looked it. If Sun's gravity is light speed, take 8 minutes to reach earth, then gravity will be delay 8 minutes to reach earth new position.

If Coulomb's force is fact, levity is as real as gravity, as strong as electrostatic force. Fact?

All things in the universe have their precise mechanism. Without precise mechanism, any theory cannot be correct.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #3 on: 24/03/2019 05:02:29 »
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Gravity is inherited force, coexist with matters. It is always attracting matters, never stop, continuing. Therefore it is instantaneous. Simple fact.

Non-sequitur.

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If Sun's gravity is light speed, take 8 minutes to reach earth, then gravity will be delay 8 minutes to reach earth new position.

So? All that means is that the Earth is attracted to the position where the Sun was 8 minutes ago.

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If Coulomb's force is fact, levity is as real as gravity, as strong as electrostatic force. Fact?

How are you defining "levity"?

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All things in the universe have their precise mechanism. Without precise mechanism, any theory cannot be correct.

You don't have to know how something works in order to know that it does work. People didn't have to know anything about genetics, cell division or hormones in order to reproduce.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #4 on: 24/03/2019 05:21:24 »
Gravity is always there, never can be stopped. Forces have no speed, all forces are instantaneous between all matters.

Levity is the repulsion electrostatic force between electrons on the surface of matters. Levity only works on the surface of matters. Scientists talked about levity, I just lucky enough to prove it by using Coulomb's law.
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« Reply #5 on: 24/03/2019 05:24:40 »
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Gravity is always there, never can be stopped.

Saying that gravity can't be stopped and that it travels at infinite speed are two different claims.

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Forces have no speed, all forces are instantaneous between all matters.

When was that ever experimentally demonstrated? Please provide a reputable source.
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« Reply #6 on: 24/03/2019 05:29:56 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 24/03/2019 05:24:40
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:21:24
Gravity is always there, never can be stopped.

Saying that gravity can't be stopped and that it travels at infinite speed are two different claims.

Forces don't travel, forces are always at work.

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Forces have no speed, all forces are instantaneous between all matters.

When was that ever experimentally demonstrated? Please provide a reputable source.

Hold a magnet in each hand, feel the force? Repel or attract don't matter. Wave 1 hand, does energy teleport to other hand? Light wave and gravity wave teleport between matters the same way.
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« Reply #7 on: 24/03/2019 05:33:08 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:29:56
Hold a magnet in each hand, feel the force? Repel or attract don't matter. Wave 1 hand, does energy teleport to other hand? Light wave and gravity wave teleport between matters the same way.

Instantaneous action and light-speed action would seem identical to anyone trying to perform that experiment. Our senses are nowhere near sharp enough to tell the difference. You're going to need something significantly more precise than that to prove your case.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #8 on: 24/03/2019 05:37:24 »
F=G x m1m2/R^2, F=Ke x q1q2/R^2.

Forces have nothing to do with time.

Forces are coexisting with matter, therefore instantaneous.

What is the speed of force? What is the speed of road?
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« Reply #9 on: 24/03/2019 05:39:59 »
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F=G x m1m2/R^2, F=Ke x q1q2/R^2.

Forces have nothing to do with time.

It does in the sense that the carrier of that force takes time to traverse a given distance.

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What is the speed of force?

The speed of light at most.

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What is the speed of road?

Roads are physical objects. They are not a force.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #10 on: 24/03/2019 05:44:23 »
Force is as real as road. Force is the conductor/road of energy.

If you insist force has light speed, what is the mechanism?
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« Reply #11 on: 24/03/2019 05:46:38 »
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Force is as real as road.

I never said that forces weren't real.

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Force is the conductor/road of energy.

I'm not completely sure I understand what that means.

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If you insist force has light speed, what is the mechanism?

Fields.
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« Reply #12 on: 24/03/2019 05:52:01 »
Fields is the mechanism?

Please explain.
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« Reply #13 on: 24/03/2019 05:55:08 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 05:52:01
Fields is the mechanism?

Please explain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(physics)

For some reason, the link didn't post correctly. Add a ) in the url to get the proper link.
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« Reply #14 on: 24/03/2019 05:57:15 »
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Fields is the mechanism?

Please explain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(physics)

If you can explain something, why quote wiki?

There is no field but force. Field is as real as quanta, ether, imaginary.
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« Reply #15 on: 24/03/2019 05:58:43 »
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If you can explain something, why quote wiki?

It has an extensive write up on the topic and can explain it much more thoroughly than I can.

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There is no field but force. Field is as real as quanta, ether, imaginary.

Can I take that as a sign that you didn't read the article?
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« Reply #16 on: 24/03/2019 06:07:08 »
Yes. What is field? 
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« Reply #17 on: 24/03/2019 06:12:24 »
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What is field? 

Couldn't be bothered to read even the first sentence of the article, huh?
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« Reply #18 on: 24/03/2019 06:16:45 »
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What is field?

Couldn't be bothered to read even the first sentence of the article, huh?

I am sure there is no field but force. I edited wiki many times. But they don't accept the fact. Without force there is no field. Field is imaginary, force is real.
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« Reply #19 on: 24/03/2019 06:21:08 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:16:45
I am sure there is no field but force. I edited wiki many times. But they don't accept the fact.

Did you provide a reference from a reputable source to back up what you wrote there? If not, that is why your edit didn't stay.

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Without force there is no field. Field is imaginary, force is real.

Are you actually going to bother supporting this argument with experimental evidence or are you just going to keep making unsupported assertions?
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