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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #20 on: 24/03/2019 06:30:04 »
The only way to tell a field existing is to measuring its force strength.

If there is only one Sun in the universe, no other mass at all, how can you measure or tell Sun's gravity or gravity field?
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #21 on: 24/03/2019 06:33:45 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:30:04
The only way to tell a field existing is to measuring its force strength.

Which is easy to do.

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If there is only one Sun in the universe, no other mass at all, how can you measure or tell Sun's gravity or gravity field?

One way would be to observe the rate at which some of the particles in a solar filament fall back down onto the Sun's surface. It's ultimately irrelevant, however, since there is more than one star in the Universe.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #22 on: 24/03/2019 09:35:37 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 06:16:45
I am sure there is no field but force. I edited wiki many times. But they don't accept the fact.
That's because you are plainly wrong.
It's unfortunate that you don't recognise this.

There's a name for this phenomenon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #23 on: 24/03/2019 11:53:08 »
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Strong and weak force are imaginary, never can be measured or calculated.
You're on the right lines but this part is not true .  The strong electrostatic force is the binary bond between the proton and electron and the weak force is the emitted interwoven neutral field that is the gravity field , aether , electromagnetic field all in one .
Not forgetting of course , all this is interwoven with the space-time singularity field .
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #24 on: 24/03/2019 12:01:46 »
Forces and energy are coexisting with matters.

Vacuum space contains no matters, therefore space contains no force, no energy, no field.

Gravity and levity connected all matters all the time, therefore instantaneous through out the universe.

All energy and matter and information are only existing at forever ongoing now.

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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #25 on: 24/03/2019 12:05:40 »
Quote from: Thebox on 24/03/2019 11:53:08
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 00:15:50
Strong and weak force are imaginary, never can be measured or calculated.
You're on the right lines but this part is not true .  The strong electrostatic force is the binary bond between the proton and electron and the weak force is the emitted interwoven neutral field that is the gravity field , aether , electromagnetic field all in one .
Not forgetting of course , all this is interwoven with the space-time singularity field .
Theory is just theory. How to calculate and measure both forces? What about the charges of those forces? How can all atoms are neutrally charged?
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« Reply #26 on: 24/03/2019 12:13:21 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 12:01:46
Forces and energy are coexisting with matters.

Vacuum space contains no matters, therefore space contains no force, no energy, no field.

Gravity and levity connected all matters all the time, therefore instantaneous through out the universe.

All energy and matter and information are only existing at forever ongoing now.


I can tell by your wording and knowledge that you lack education and knowledge about physics but I am happy to discuss your notions with you .

Energy is matter  and matter occupies space .  I'll explain the universe in brief , it will help you with your own thoughts .


Space-time is an interwoven ''ball'' of energy that occupies space , this ''ball' is expanding into outer space . Things within  the ''ball'' are held together by the ball or they would also expand into outer space .

Things in the ball are attracted to things in the ball, the balls interior field being the aehter and carrier of information . 


A thing with less energy within the ball is attracted to bigger things within the ball, the bigger things within the ball are attracted to the outer of the ball , but the balls interior field pushes back . 


That's it in a nutshell, easy isn't it ?

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« Reply #27 on: 24/03/2019 12:19:17 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 12:05:40
Quote from: Thebox on 24/03/2019 11:53:08
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 00:15:50
Strong and weak force are imaginary, never can be measured or calculated.
You're on the right lines but this part is not true .  The strong electrostatic force is the binary bond between the proton and electron and the weak force is the emitted interwoven neutral field that is the gravity field , aether , electromagnetic field all in one .
Not forgetting of course , all this is interwoven with the space-time singularity field .
Theory is just theory. How to calculate and measure both forces? What about the charges of those forces? How can all atoms are neutrally charged?

We measure G and Coulombs . G is the measure of the weak electrostatic force .

Google it .

added -

a+b =1/2 m

(a+b)*F2=m

a+b=1E 

1E*Eⁿ / vol = electric field

ok ?
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #28 on: 24/03/2019 13:47:15 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 12:05:40
Quote from: Thebox on 24/03/2019 11:53:08
Quote from: seeker3 on 24/03/2019 00:15:50
Strong and weak force are imaginary, never can be measured or calculated.
You're on the right lines but this part is not true .  The strong electrostatic force is the binary bond between the proton and electron and the weak force is the emitted interwoven neutral field that is the gravity field , aether , electromagnetic field all in one .
Not forgetting of course , all this is interwoven with the space-time singularity field .
Theory is just theory. How to calculate and measure both forces? What about the charges of those forces? How can all atoms are neutrally charged?

Seeker,
just to let you know, the stuff that TheBox posts is generally nonsense.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #29 on: 24/03/2019 19:16:41 »
That's why I won't take his comment seriously.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #30 on: 25/03/2019 20:45:51 »
Coulomb's force rule the universe. Suppose strong and weak forces are fact, they must be electrostatic force in nature. Same charges repel, opposite charges attract.

Coulomb's force has infinite range, how can strong force has short range? What is the mechanism?

Strong force must be negative charged in order to attract protons to stick together in the nucleus. If so, what is the net charge of the atom?
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #31 on: 25/03/2019 21:44:52 »
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Coulomb's force rule the universe.

Not anymore than the other forces do.

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Suppose strong and weak forces are fact, they must be electrostatic force in nature.

Nope.

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Same charges repel, opposite charges attract.

That's not how the strong force works. Two protons have the same strong charge, yet they attract each other. That is, until they get a certain distance apart. Then they repel each other.

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Coulomb's force has infinite range, how can strong force has short range? What is the mechanism?

The electromagnetic force has an infinite range in part because the particles that mediate it (virtual photons) are stable. The particles that mediate the strong nuclear force are virtual mesons, which are unstable. So the strong force can only propagate as far as those mesons can travel before they decay.

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Strong force must be negative charged in order to attract protons to stick together in the nucleus.

Nope.

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If so, what is the net charge of the atom?

The charge on the atom depends on the ratio of the electrons to protons.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #32 on: 26/03/2019 00:41:36 »
Opinion various. Logic and fact stand.

Protons are positive charged, they don't attract each other at any distance. They repel each other with F=Ke x pp/R^2.

Strong force must be negative charged, otherwise, protons will not stick in the nucleus.

Strong force carrier must has mass, must be charged, so atoms mass and net charge will not equal to model prediction.

All things have precise mechanism, science is not word salad.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #33 on: 26/03/2019 00:51:10 »
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Opinion various. Logic and fact stand.

I haven't stated opinions. I have stated facts as discerned by physics experiments.

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Protons are positive charged, they don't attract each other at any distance. They repel each other with F=Ke x pp/R^2.

They repel each other at long distances because of that electric repulsion, yes. At much closer distances, the attraction of the strong force overwhelms the repulsion of the electromagnetic force so the protons become attracted to each other.

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Strong force must be negative charged,

It isn't.

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otherwise, protons will not stick in the nucleus.

The strong force is not electromagnetic. It is its own unique force. It's stronger than the electromagnetic force.

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Strong force carrier must has mass, must be charged, so atoms mass and net charge will not equal to model prediction.

They do have mass, and some mesons are charged, but they exist as virtual particles. That means that they don't exist long enough to be directly detectable. So they don't affect the measurements of atomic charge or mass.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #34 on: 26/03/2019 01:17:49 »
Why in a hydrogen atom electron and proton don't stick together?

What is the precise mechanism?

Is the electron moving? How? Why? What is energy? What is energy level? How electrons change energy level and emit photon? What is photon made of? Why photon accelerate from water to air?
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« Reply #35 on: 26/03/2019 01:31:35 »
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Why in a hydrogen atom electron and proton don't stick together?

What is the precise mechanism?

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. In the quantum world, a particle's momentum and location must remain uncertain to a certain degree. An electron of a given energy (such as the electron in a hydrogen atom) can only be confined to a volume of some certain size for this reason. Trying to confine it to the volume of an atomic nucleus is much too small for its energy level.

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Is the electron moving?  How? Why?

Yes. Again, the uncertainty principle prevents any particle from being absolutely at rest.



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What is energy? What is energy level?

The binding energy of an electron in a ground state hydrogen atom is 1,312 kilojoules per mole.

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How electrons change energy level and emit photon?

They have to be in an excited energy state first. The excess energy can then be donated to a virtual photon near the electron that exists in quantum vacuum fluctuations, turning it into a real photon. In the process, the electron loses energy and falls back to its base energy level.

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What is photon made of?

I don't know if this is a meaningful question. Modern physics models it as a fundamental particle, which means that it isn't made of anything simpler than itself.

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Why photon accelerate from water to air?

I'm not exactly certain about the reason for this, but I think it has something to do with the fact that there are fewer atoms in air that get in the way of the photon. That's probably an oversimplification.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #36 on: 26/03/2019 01:48:27 »
Description is not explanation. Science is not story.

What is uncertain? There is only 1 force exist between electron and proton at a distance.

What is energy? How electron carry energy? What is energy state? Photon accelerate from water to air is because air have less atom? Why don't you wiki?
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #37 on: 26/03/2019 04:16:57 »
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What is uncertain? There is only 1 force exist between electron and proton at a distance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

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What is energy?

According to dictionary.com: "3.
PHYSICS
the property of matter and radiation which is manifest as a capacity to perform work (such as causing motion or the interaction of molecules)."

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How electron carry energy?

It has mass. Mass has its own associated energy. It also carries energy by moving (kinetic energy).

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What is energy state?

The state of energy that an object is in. Pretty self-explanatory. It's another name for the amount of energy that a particle is carrying.

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Photon accelerate from water to air is because air have less atom? Why don't you wiki?

I could ask you the same thing.
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Re: The mechanism of light, gravity, magnetism and more.
« Reply #38 on: 26/03/2019 04:27:07 »
If light is wave, not particle, it still can energize solar cell to emit electron, if the frequency is high enough.

Agree?

Waves must exist in a medium not vacuum space.

Agree?
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« Reply #39 on: 26/03/2019 04:28:52 »
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If light is wave, not particle, it still can energize solar cell to emit electron, if the frequency is high enough.

Agree?

It's a wave and a particle.

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Waves must exist in a medium not vacuum space.

Agree?

Light travels through the vacuum of space, so I obviously disagree (as demonstrated by the delay times when communicating with spacecraft).
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