[MichaelMD (OP)]

I would submit that my analogy between ocean waves and this model of how quantum wave forms are produced is valid, on the basis of a similarity of their alternating "high-crest, followed by nadir-crest." The analogy is that of a shoreline-effect. The "shoreline" in the case of quantum waves comes after an energy build-up in the underlying ether, which has stimulated a peak in formation of etheroidal units, which then further transition to quantum units, which in turn show up when we observe quantum energy waves, as a high-amplitude wave crest, resembling incoming ocean waves at the shoreline.

Again, I don't share your opinion that differences between ocean wave-forming forces, and the forces forming ether/quantum waves, disqualifies, or has any bearing on, the analogy. The point I made just is that of a similarity in wave patterns at two "shorelines." The "shoreline" in the case of my ether model is where the underlying vibratory ether forces have been energized, and have reached a crescendo, and then "emerge," forming a wave crest, where large numbers of them have reacted to the outside energy, forming built-up etheroidal units, which went on to form still-larger quantum units,these transformed units now transitioning to the world of quantum dynamics. -Then, as the energies at the "shorelines" die back, the nadir of the waves appears, analogously in both cases.

[Bored chemist]

I would submit that my analogy between ocean waves and this model of how quantum wave forms are produced is valid, on the basis of a similarity of their alternating "high-crest, followed by nadir-crest."

And I submit that it can't be "valid" , because your idea talks about "ether forces" and we know that the ether does not exist.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

One aspect of my Ether Model would support the idea that an alternating peak-and-nadir energy effect could occur in the ether that could produce a typical quantum wave form, as follows. -In my Model, the underlying ether dynamics are very different from quantum dynamics, and involve vibratory interactions between elemental ether units, also between elemental units and larger units; including quantum units, which is the basis of how it would explain quantum entanglement. -How this ether process could produce quantum wave forms, is that after an ether region is subjected to outside energy, the elemental ether units in the area begin aligning and entraining, which produces larger and larger units. However, in the ether matrix such a process could involve quite-sharp cut-offs between the energic areas and less energic areas of the ether. In parts of the ether where the alignment, entrainment, and build-up of units is occurring, this effect would accelerate participation by nearby parts of the ether in the process, while other ether areas are hardly affected, and remain un-aligned and "quiet." -Thus, once a cascade of built-up larger ether units emerges into the quantum realm, producing a wave-peak, the rest of the ether is at a drastically-lower energy, producing a nadir effect, seen as a trough in the quantum wave.

As the outside energy influence continues, the typical peak-and-trough wave effect continues, as seen in quantum wave patterns. -One should try to appreciate that an underlying ether energy-dynamic totally different from quantum dynamics could behave quite differently.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

It might help interpret my model by comparing how such forces would be operating in the case of a wire transmitting an electric current between two opposite poles, from the point of view of how the transmission forces differ, going through the wire, and through  the space around the wire in the associated magnetic field..

With this Ether Model, there is ether present in both cases, both in the wire and in the space around the wire. However, there is a difference in the modes of conduction. -In the case of the wire, the conducting medium 
consists of densely crowded atoms (again, the atoms would be composed of elemental ether units, which are vibrationally in touch with other ether units in the wire. -In the case of the magnetic forces around the wire, there is an ether matrix there too, but there. the spatial state means that the surrounding ether matrix is less quantized than the surrounding ether in the wire. Conduction of forces would differ as a result, in that in the wire, there would be a more accentuated conversion of smaller ether units to units analogous to the atomic units in the wire, producing a more pronounced cascade of larger, more quantized, energy units, producing a ore dramatic, stronger, flux of electrons. -In the space around the wire, the energic forces would be less dramatic, with less quantization (fewer electrons) and less pronounced wave effects, than in the wire.

[Bored chemist]

Why are you calling this "thing that isn't ether", ether?

[MichaelMD (OP)]

When, in the wire, the tiniest elemental ether units of the ether matrix sense there is a directional resonance between the two poles, they undergo increased alignment, and vibratory entrainment, producing larger and larger ether units, on up to the size scale of quantum units (electrons.) It's necessary to appreciate that the vibratory type of dynamics of the ether differs from quantum dynamics. and in the neighborhood of the densely crowded atoms inside the wire, this vibratory dynamic produces a  pattern of resonance in the ether shifted toward a higher level of activity of the larger ether units, similar in scale to the denser quantum atomic/electronic units all around them, there. More quantum/electronic forces result. That is why the energies inside the wire are observed to run higher than in the space around the wire.

[Bored chemist]

directional resonance

You need to explain what that means.
Ditto

vibratory entrainmen

the vibratory type of dynamics of the ether

a higher level of activity

similar in scale to the denser quantum atomic/electronic units

Let's face it.
It's probably easier to list the bits that do make sense.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

By "directional resonance" existing between two "opposite" poles, I meant that (1) there must exist compatibility, or resonance, of the two poles in order for the ether between the poles to "feel" the commonality, so the ether starts establishing packets of vibration that have the same vibratory pattern, in common, with the two poles. -This is the same basic concept as in explaining quantum entanglement - the ether between two similar quantum loci "feels" a commonality and establishes a vibrational link between them in the ether, except that in the case of the wire, where an electrical force-gradient exists between the poles, this also produces a directional flow of etheric energy. (In simple entanglement, there is just a connection without forces flowing between the two quantum loci.)

By "vibratory entrainment," I meant that when elemental ether units start aligning in reaction to energy forces in the area, that makes their vibrations come into contact with each other to a greater degree, which then produces entrainments of multiple elemental units, which is what is needed to produce larger and larger energy units, on up to the size of quantum electrons.

By "vibratory dynamic of the ether," i was referring to the difference between the ether, which follows a dynamic in which units interact by vibratory contact, and the quantum mechanical dynamic, where larger, quantum scale, units interact with each other via wave patterns, distance vectors, and spin. (Although I claim the ether is important in quantum dynamics too, because the linearity of the underlying ether vibratory forces is what actually underpins the orderliness of quantum systems, such as atomic structure.)

By "similar in scale to the quantum/electron units" that crowd together in the wire, I was referring to the concept that what accentuates the higher level of energy in the wire (the current") compared to the space around the wire (where the magnetic field lies), means that the ether units inside the wire are more energically attuned to the quantized state of the wire. (The wire is a structure more quantized than is the space around the wire. That's why the current is stronger than the magnetic field, although both conduct forces between the poles.)

[MichaelMD (OP)]

My kind of Ether Model provides the only answers possible., -A universal ether matrix consisting of elemental ether units, which are the basic building-blocks of everything, including quantum energy units, is the only rational answer. The ether matrix provides a continuum of perfectly-linear transmissions between the quantum units, which underpins the stability and orderliness of all quantum systems, such as atomic structuring.

"Stand-alone" quantum physics is not able to adequately explain these questions, and never will be.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

The best example to illustrate how my Ether Model works would be to consider how a flashlight beam is propagated in the dark. The flashlight bulb, by emitting photonic energy, sends quantum photons forward into the darkness. However, with my ether model, the actual sequence of energic processes is more complicated than just that.

In quantum entanglement, two quantum units are observed to stay connected even after being separated  -I propose that the same kind of effect occurs with the flashlight beam, as follows. -There exist some photons in the space ahead of the flashlight bulb. Even after dark, some ambient photons persist after sunset, and when the flashlight sends out its beam, the ether "feels" there are separated, closely-related, quantum loci - the flashlight and the ambient photons in the space ahead of the flashlight. So, feeling this commonality between two quantum sources, the intervening ether is stimulated to produce a photonic vibratory pattern between the two photonic loci, analogous to what happens in quantum entanglement.

Of course, there would be enormous numbers of photons, and even more of the elemental ether units between them. What is actually happening is that enormous numbers of photons are "dragged into" the beam, producing the light beam we see with our eyes. All the while, ether units are underlying the basic process, because the energy from the light bulb causes the ether units to energically align, entrain, and form even more quantum photons. We do not "see" the ether part of the process, because it occurs at a super-rarified level beyond our senses. Our eyes are atomically structured, and require the quantum photons to produce our vision's perception of the light beam. 

[MichaelMD (OP)]

The main reason physics rejects the ether is still the "null" results obtained in the Michelson-Morley Experiment of 1887 (MMX) and its later successors, all of which used measurementrs of the behavior of optically-refracted ;light beams to "observe the conduction of light through the ether." They assumed that light beams would pass through any type of ether  acting as the "medium" for light passing through it. There have even been recent proposals to conduct new MMXs using orbiting satellites. However, according to my Ether Model, those original assumptions were mistaken.

In my Ether Model, the photons which are present in light beams, being of quantum-order size, would be vastly larger than the ether units through which light passes. These ether units are "elemental," meaning they are ultimately-minuscule in size, which means that there would not be an inertial-interface between photons and the ether, contrary to the assumptions the MMX was based upon. (MIchelson, using the concepts of physics in the 1800s, appears to have conceptualized the passage of light through "any" ether as necessarily involving the light burrowing through an ether, in a sort of inertial-mechanical fashion.) -The assumption in MMX that an inertial interface "must" exist between "any" ether and the light passing through it, according to my Model, is mistaken, so MMX should be thrown out as a final disproof of ether.

However, in my Ether Model, ironically, this entire line of reasoning has no bearing upon the actual mechanism involved when light is transmitted through the ether, because the mechanism is actually electrical-vibrational, and no inertial motion is involved. The ether is acting as an underlying matrix, which provides a continuum of perfectly-linear impulse-transmissions, which connect vibrationally-similar quantum loci. The pathways of such transmissions are based on matching vibratory patterns. Thus, the vibrational dynamic of the underlying ether is entirely different from the overlying quantum dynamics, such as that if light beams.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

The stability and orderliness of quantum systems such as structured atoms requires an underpinning matrix of uniform elemental quantum-building-block ether units, which exists as a vibrating continuum of linear transmissions that connect quantum units that are related and similar. -Not "entangled."

Compare this Model with rival models such as string theory, with its eleven dimensions.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

The Ether Model described above also leads to a logical and simple model of gravity.

Such an ether, being composed of "elemental" units, would constitute a continuum, cutting seamlessly across quantum/atomic barriers. Therefore, the ether units would be passing across the surface of two gravitating bodies, into the intervening space. These ether units, having just left the inside of the solid body, would retain a greater degree of energy than the ether units in the space between the bodies, and would "carry" this energy into the space as they enter it. This would lead to a higher energy state of the ether in the space between the bodies. That, in turn, would cause increased activity of the ether units in this space. Instead of quietly and randomly vibrating, separately, the higher energy level would make the ether units energically align and entrain to a greater degree, leading to aggregation of some of the ether units into larger sized units, up to the size-scale of quantum units. This would "partially quantize" the space between the two gravitating bodies. The ether in this space would become "tighter," because some of the ether units in it are no longer vibrating quietly and freely, but instead are now aggregating into larger units. -Overall, the ether between the two gravitating bodies has become more tightly contracted, which is what draws the two bodies toward each other.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

An ether model of gravity like this merits serious consideration. Physics lacks a genuinely satisfactory gravity model. Attempts to link gravity with electromagnetism, dipoles, and the like, have shown them to have no relationship to gravity. Likewise, attempts to link gravity with light or optical transmissions have also failed. This has led physics to link gravity to Einstein's general relativity explanation involving "curvature of space in the presence of mass" as a sort of default explanation, despite the obvious difficulty in adapting that to a rational concept. (Some theorists still cling to the hope that string theory will eventually provide a gravity model. -I would submit that string theory, with its eleven dimensions, will never adapt to explaining such observations as the stability and orderliness of atomic structuring.

I submit that the above model of gravity as an ether-based mechanism involving quantization of the space between gravitating bodies is the most rational one. My Model also accounts for the stability and orderliness of quantum systems like atomic structuring, as involving underpinning of quantum-systems by a matrix of quantum-building-block elemental ether units

[MichaelMD (OP)]

This is to clarify a key point in the ether/quantization model of gravity given just above (see my post of Oct. 12.) -The reason the space between gravitating bodies becomes partly quantized, as ether units enter it from the surfaces of the bodies, is that the etheric units passing through the atomic boundary from the solid body into the space are, largely, "etheroidal" ether units, which are intermediate ether units smaller than quantum units, but larger than the elemental ether units. These etheroidal ether units are generated inside the solid body, due to the energy processes there, which have mediated underlying etheric forces to the more-quantized quantum/atomic state of the solid bodies. In that state, the ether underlying their atomic structuring consists of a higher level of larger ether units ("etheroidal"). Etheroidal units are larger than the elemental units that predominate in the space outside the  bodies, but are small enough to pass through the quantum/atomic boundary into the space between them, where they produce partial quantization of this space, a state which partly replicates the state of the energy units inside the two bodies. This produces more larger energy units, up to quantum units, in this space than were there before. -The ether in the space is now more "connected-up" and less predominantly elemental than before, i.e., the ether between the bodies is more tightly contracted, which pulls the two bodies toward each other.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

It would further clarify my Ether Model to point out the difference in how it explains not only Gravity, but also Quantum Entanglement (Q.E.)

In the last post, I pointed out that in my Model, the ether units predominant in Gravity are not the elemental, or tiniest, ether units, but rather the larger "etheroidal" units, which are closer in size-scale to the quantum units they are related to, as they transition from the ether to the quantum units in the quantized state, in the space between the solid bodies

In contrast, in Q.E., in my Ether Model, it is the elemental, or tiniest, ether units which are the predominant (in fact only) participants. In my Model, Q.E. represents radiated packets of ether energy which have the same vibratory pattern. The elemental ether units are the only actual participants in Q.E., with the pair of related, but separated, quantum units being kinetically "walled off," but connected to each other, by elemental ether units.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

In this Ether Model, magnetism is basically the same process as gravity. -Of course, gravity effects usually involve bodies that are larger, and spaces that are greater than in magnetic attraction, and the attractive forces are more spread-out than in magnetism. But in this Model, with magnetism, etheroidal space-quantizing forces involve ether units are coming from bodies that are more similar than in the case of gravitation. Therefore, the ether forces in magnetism being more similar, the spatial vibratory patterns in the space between the bodies are more similar, so the quantization process going on in the space between attracted bodies is stronger, the ether in the space between the bodies becomes more tightly contracted, and the ,magnetic attraction is stronger than in gravitation.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

A major theoretic question that arises in my Ether Model is how a vibratory dynamic existing in such an underlying, underpinning, ether, can coexist and interface with the overlying quantum dynamics we are familiar with.

In my overall cosmic-model, electrons initially were creationally projected into a "virgin" ether region. Electrons happen to possess the maximum velocity of quantum units, as they are the smallest in dimension. Such projections enabled the electrons to establish a partially-independent quantum dynamic system, via their setting up wave patterns and field patterns, which in turn caused smaller units to transition to larger units (protons, neutrons, atoms), and our present quantum dynamic system was established. (This quantum dynamic world of waves, fields, vectors, and so on, is still not totally independent of the vibrational dynamic of the ether, as shown by the observation of quantum entanglement.)

I submit that a preceding "ether world" was creationally transitioned to our quantized world in order to establish a more magnetically-stable quantum-dynamic macrocosm for the existence of quantized entities, than had existed in the preceding ether macrocosm.

[MichaelMD (OP)]

It might help evaluate this Ether Model if I point out just its main basic concepts.

The stability and orderliness of quantum systems, such as the structuring of atoms, requires an underpinning matrix of elemental, uniform, quantum-building-block ether units, which make for a continuum of vibrating units, which transmit linearly- conducted impulses connecting larger quantum units that are related and similar.

Quantum entanglement (Q.E.) is an example of this key underlying process. Q.E. is not a rare and peculiar laboratory effect.

Compare the straightforwardness of this model with rival models, such as String Theory, with its eleven dimensions.

[Origin]

Stringing together a bunch of sciency sounding words resulting in gibberish is not what is commonly known as science.