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How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?

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How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« on: 15/05/2019 22:19:36 »
What is the cause and effect? What is the mechanism?

Please no description and assumption.
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #1 on: 15/05/2019 22:39:10 »
As you seem unable to understand basic science your question will not be answered in the main section. You are limited to posting only in the ‘lighter side’ of the forum.

Anyone who wishes to answer here may do so. Including the box.
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #2 on: 15/05/2019 22:49:10 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 15/05/2019 22:19:36
Please no description

Telling you the mechanism would be the same as describing it, so how do you expect us to answer your question (which has already been answered several times in other threads anyway)?
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #3 on: 15/05/2019 23:09:53 »
Without understanding the precise mechanism of a theory, how can you accept it as true? Are you rational thinker?
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #4 on: 15/05/2019 23:46:00 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 15/05/2019 23:09:53
Without understanding the precise mechanism of a theory, how can you accept it as true? Are you rational thinker?

That didn't answer my question.
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #5 on: 16/05/2019 00:40:53 »
Anyone has the answer?

Google and wiki have no answer.

Maybe it is time to check out my theory about atomic structure posted earlier.
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #6 on: 16/05/2019 06:12:43 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:40:53
Anyone has the answer?

You've already been told the answer. You just ignored it because you didn't like it or understand it.

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:40:53
Google and wiki have no answer.

Yes they do. Either you didn't look hard enough or you, again, just ignored what you found because you didn't like or understand the answer.

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 00:40:53
Maybe it is time to check out my theory about atomic structure posted earlier.

What you have is a hypothesis, not a theory. An incorrect hypothesis at that (we know that atoms aren't solid balls. The gold foil experiment demonstrates that).
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #7 on: 16/05/2019 07:04:54 »
The experiment is misinterpretation.

If atoms are mostly empty space, why electron and proton don't stick together? The attraction force between them is 10^36 times stronger than gravity.

How electron wave/cloud/orbit the proton? What is the mechanism?

The biggest mistake in science is the standard model of atomic structure theory.

The theory says 1 electron and 1 proton can form a hydrogen atom. This is impossible.

There is only 1 force F=Ke x re/R^2 existing between those two opposite charged particles, the only motion possible is acceleration toward each other on a straight line, collide and stick together. Like two magnets attract each other and stick together, like apples full on Earth. Electron is impossible to orbit or wave or cloud proton to form a stable atom, there is no such mechanism.

The theory says atoms are 99.99% empty space. This is impossible because the matter is not 99% compressible.

Why those simple facts are not in textbooks? Because science is still controlled religion.

Before we truly understood the atomic structure, we can not understand the universe, all theories are just theories.
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #8 on: 16/05/2019 07:26:18 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:04:54
why electron and proton don't stick together?
As you have been told before, that's still the uncertainty principle.
Do you understand what that does?
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:04:54
How electron wave/cloud/orbit the proton?
They don't.
That has also been pointed out here before.
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:04:54
There is only 1 force F=Ke x re/R^2 existing between those two opposite charged particles, the only motion possible is acceleration toward each other on a straight line, collide and stick together. Like two magnets attract each other and stick together, like apples full on Earth. Electron is impossible to orbit or wave or cloud proton to form a stable atom, there is no such mechanism.
If you were right about that (you are not) then by exactly the same "reasoning" the Moon couldn't orbit the Earth- it would fall down and crash into it.

Do you not understand how that shows that you are wrong?
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #9 on: 16/05/2019 07:28:33 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:04:54
This is impossible because the matter is not 99% compressible.

Yes it is. (much more than 99% really)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star#Density_and_pressure

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:04:54
Why those simple facts are not in textbooks?
Because they are not facts.
The evidence shows that they are wrong.
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #10 on: 16/05/2019 07:44:38 »
Is water 99% compressible? Is water made of atoms that are 99% empty space?

Is there only 1 force exist between 1 electron and 1 proton a fact?

How that attraction force can make electron to wave/orbit/cloud the proton to from a stable atom?

What is the mechanism? Monkey story or science theory?
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #11 on: 16/05/2019 07:57:25 »
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:44:38
Is water 99% compressible?
Yes.

Did you not understand my previous post?

Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:44:38
Is there only 1 force exist between 1 electron and 1 proton a fact?
No.
There are 4 different forces at work there.
Quote from: seeker3 on 16/05/2019 07:44:38
What is the mechanism?
Exchange of virtual particles.
Do you understand the mechanism?

I'm guessing that you aren't clever enough to understand it, so you resort to childish insults.

Do you think that helps anyone?
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #12 on: 16/05/2019 08:06:58 »
Pretty good story. Thanks.
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Re: How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
« Reply #13 on: 16/05/2019 12:06:05 »
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How exactly 1 electron and 1 proton from a hydrogen atom?
Answer 1: Easy! This was all defined by Erwin Schroedinger in 1926 - and it only takes 1 line!
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

I'm glad you asked about a Hydrogen atom, because defining anything much more complicated (eg Haemoglobin) with Schroedinger's equation is beyond our current capabilities (but people are working on it!).

Answer 2: It doesn't! At normal room temperatures and pressures, Hydrogen is formed of 2 protons and 2 electrons...

If you go for really high pressures (like some superconductor researchers), metallic hydrogen is formed from trillions of protons and trillions of electrons. (They would like it to be a lot more, but they can only work with really tiny samples at present.)
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