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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #20 on: 12/07/2019 13:35:17 »
Quote from: lunar7 on 11/07/2019 23:01:23
When we think the way the Universe works; the fundamental constants; the way Science works. There must be a God.

How do you arrive at this conclusion? Where does your god come from? what is it?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #21 on: 12/07/2019 18:53:38 »
Quote from: flummoxed on 10/07/2019 17:45:51
God might be defined as the quantum vacuum perhaps from which via baryogenesis everything in the universe may have appeared.
Or God might be defined as a cucumber.
But that too, would be silly.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #22 on: 13/07/2019 10:25:39 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 12/07/2019 18:53:38
Quote from: flummoxed on 10/07/2019 17:45:51
God might be defined as the quantum vacuum perhaps from which via baryogenesis everything in the universe may have appeared.
Or God might be defined as a cucumber.
But that too, would be silly.

What would make a cucumber god any different to any other god.

The great god cucumber could be used in skin treatments, and reward the worshipper with soft skin perhaps.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #23 on: 13/07/2019 10:28:10 »
Quote from: lunar7 on 11/07/2019 23:01:23
When we think the way the Universe works; the fundamental constants; the way Science works. There must be a God.

Ive got it, your gods a mathematician, in the beginning there was the HUP.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #24 on: 13/07/2019 10:31:23 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 12/07/2019 10:09:20
There is a number of mysterious things in our life such as life itself, if these things are unknown, why do we refer them to myths?
Why not God prove his existence and save our efforts if he is merciful?

Your god is male then, and decides to be merciful or not as the case me be. Does this version of god respond to random events like a automaton.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #25 on: 23/07/2019 04:59:31 »
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 12/07/2019 10:09:20
There is a number of mysterious things in our life such as life itself, if these things are unknown, why do we refer them to myths?
Why not God prove his existence and save our efforts if he is merciful?
yes i think so
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #26 on: 26/07/2019 07:12:33 »
Why is life the only singularity ever detected?  Life is NOT natural.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #27 on: 26/07/2019 09:36:51 »
Quote from: Hayseed on 26/07/2019 07:12:33
Why is life the only singularity ever detected?
Life is not a singularity, so your question makes no sense.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #28 on: 28/07/2019 08:53:32 »
Quote from: Faltuh on 23/07/2019 04:59:31
Quote from: Yahya A.Sharif on 12/07/2019 10:09:20
There is a number of mysterious things in our life such as life itself, if these things are unknown, why do we refer them to myths?
Why not God prove his existence and save our efforts if he is merciful?
yes i think so

Should you have said yes I feel so, because you feel not think a god of some sorts exists. If you cant describe what your god is, then likely you dont know what it is you believe in.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #29 on: 09/08/2019 12:44:05 »
God does not need time to exist in. Reminds me of the Tardis. God created the laws of the universe and so when he acts the laws are used, not contradicted. God wants us in this world and life in the Universe, to have faith, confidence, hope, rather than knowledge with proof. It is a nursery and testing ground. And something has gone wrong, with the premature introduction of knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge and proof is good for making tools and medicines..

You can have evidence and personal proof of Christ presence... In the Holy Spirit gifts and powers.

The universe is not self existent. I am not sure if it reasons.

Faith is necessary for dealing with knowledge and revelations... sometimes they are of very developed realities. Life reviews during near death experiences, visions of a city, with pearl gates....

For example, my late granma right up until she died was misled to think that Germany was only defending itself in WW2 and that the Jews had been rioting... I do not think she understood the holocaust. She was educated up to grade school before her father could not afford to send her to high school. Now if being so impressed by Germany she would not believe evidence that Hitler was Jewish in part and a hater. That there had been ambition in the Nazis to invade and not believe that the mass graves were real, even if God showed her images. Then how could she come to a knowledge of reality?

In this world we have evidences and proofs, books, images, reasoning and actual sites and the physical facts to manipulate in our hands and eyes. That is slow. In God is the promise of all wisdom and knowledge flowing through our minds like a waterfall when we die and enter the light. Not believing it is an option and a little blasphemy. When will someone ever believe or doubt a vision from God? Or verses from God?

It is possible some people can lock themselves out from believing God.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #30 on: 10/08/2019 11:49:57 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 09/08/2019 12:44:05
And something has gone wrong
How could anything go wrong in the creation of an omnipotent, omniscient being who set the specification in the first place, and has the unmitigated power to put it right? 

You will be telling us next that the god who created earthquakes and congenital syphilis is just and merciful.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #31 on: 10/08/2019 12:35:01 »
Quote from: lunar7 on 11/07/2019 23:01:23
When we think the way the Universe works; the fundamental constants; the way Science works. There must be a God.

Why? We ask why is that constant just so and this constant just so in order for us to exist? Why shouldn't it be just so? The sky looks blue. Why is the atmosphere constituted from molecules that scatter light in such a way that the sky looks blue? If it wasn't just so the sky may be red. So what? Such arguments are nonsense and show the immaturity of our species.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #32 on: 10/08/2019 12:37:45 »
And BTW all the grown ups lied to you as a kid. Just because the grown ups did the same to them when they were children. Does that sound like maturity.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #33 on: 10/08/2019 15:52:37 »
After the people had dominion things went wrong. This life is for testing and working dominion and faith. We have intervention when we ask or permit. The cross of Christ is the intervention. It is worked out slowly impressing understanding into human culture.

I suppose God made earthquakes, this would have come under our dominion. We lost dominion. Christ has dominion to restore us in his kingdom yet to fully rule on Earth. But God did not make diseases.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #34 on: 10/08/2019 19:27:31 »
I think god really loves viruses and only created humans and other mammals as a convenient environment for them to evolve in. 
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #35 on: 10/08/2019 20:15:50 »
Quote from: Europan Ocean on 10/08/2019 15:52:37
After the people had dominion things went wrong.
The real problem is that God saw fit to put the serpent in the garden.
So, it's all His fault.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #36 on: 11/08/2019 14:02:30 »
The serpent and tree of knowledge of good and evil was for the Adamic race to gain the ability to always free willing choose good amidst the choice of evil.

The Spirit entity in the serpent was self employed and not placed there. An agreement was probably reached beforehand. Adam could have taken authority and gained a nature of obedience and reverence with it's endearing. He would have had dominion over the whole planet.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #37 on: 11/08/2019 15:50:01 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 10/08/2019 12:35:01
Quote from: lunar7 on 11/07/2019 23:01:23
When we think the way the Universe works; the fundamental constants; the way Science works. There must be a God.

Why? We ask why is that constant just so and this constant just so in order for us to exist? Why shouldn't it be just so? The sky looks blue. Why is the atmosphere constituted from molecules that scatter light in such a way that the sky looks blue? If it wasn't just so the sky may be red. So what? Such arguments are nonsense and show the immaturity of our species.
You are implying the laws of Physics, which is how God makes things work, whether it be an electron orbiting the nuclues of an atom or the roots taking up mineral ions.
Besides, we may be 98% genetically similar to apes, but no linkage has been discovered between us an apes (nor will it be) because God created man in the image of Adam.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #38 on: 11/08/2019 18:01:55 »
God created apes and man from a common root in matter or only in design.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #39 on: 17/08/2019 00:57:56 »
Science can't even get physical reality right.........why would you think that they could concept God?
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