[Bored chemist]

rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.

No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.

Perhaps I should expand on that.
If you think there are such facts then cite them.
If you are right then, because they are (by definition) revelation  of God, then not just I, but everybody will accept them.

On the other hand, please don't waste time with hearsay etc.

[duffyd]

Sin is not just what is committed or omitted. It is inbred, a condition within each of us

It sounds like the God is a twit.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image,

Oh, He is pure evil to many millions. That surprises you? They hated his guts. Still do. Hate. Murderous hatred. A large, vehement crowd, including many of society's most favored, demanded his blood. And they got it. John, his cousin, lost his head for calling sin, sin.

He promised they would kill him long before they did. Why? He addressed that, too. Men love darkness, he said. He told the elite of his day that they were plotting to murder him because they were the children of satan. They got pissed, to put it mildly. He communicated like no one else in history. He spoke clearly as someone who was from another world.

[duffyd]

rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.

No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.

Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.

[Bored chemist]

Men love darkness, he said.

Why did He make these faulty men (in His own image)?

[Bored chemist]

rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.

No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.

Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.

Have a look at the updated version.
The point s that  if such proof actually existed, it would be known to all.

[duffyd]

No such facts exist.

Why do you make that claim? What facts prove you are right?

[Bored chemist]

He spoke clearly as someone who was from another world.

Do you want to think that simile through again a few times?

It's as clear as Martian!

[Bored chemist]

No such facts exist.

Why do you make that claim? What facts prove you are right?

No
It's your job to provide the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim>
However, I did explain why it's true.
If such facts existed, everybody would know about them by now.
Just post them on facebook, and wait.

[duffyd]

rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.

No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.

Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.

Have a look at the updated version.
The point s that  if such proof actually existed, it would be known to all.

How do you know that?

[duffyd]

Men love darkness, he said.

Why did He make these faulty men (in His own image)?

Why?

[duffyd]

He spoke clearly as someone who was from another world.

Do you want to think that simile through again a few times?

It's as clear as Martian!

You got it. He makes no sense to most of us, at least not until He comes into focus. He is the strangest bird who ever lived.

[Bored chemist]

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rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.
No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.
Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.
Have a look at the updated version.
The point s that  if such proof actually existed, it would be known to all.

How do you know that?

And again...

No
It's your job to provide the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim>
However, I did explain why it's true.
If such facts existed, everybody would know about them by now.
Just post them on facebook, and wait.

[duffyd]

No such facts exist.

Why do you make that claim? What facts prove you are right?

No
It's your job to provide the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim>
However, I did explain why it's true.
If such facts existed, everybody would know about them by now.
Just post them on facebook, and wait.

You have made that claim without any foundation that I can see. "No facts" is an extraordinary claim especially without positing a sound justification. You can believe whatever you wish. I can't convince you God is. Nor is it my responsibility to do so.

[Bored chemist]

I can't convince you God is.

You just acknowledged that you don't have proof.
You just said the same as I did.
There are no facts that reveal the existence of God.
If there were, then you would be able to convince me that God is.

[Bored chemist]

You have made that claim without any foundation that I can see.

There is none so blind as him who will not see.

[duffyd]

You have made that claim without any foundation that I can see.

There is none so blind as him who will not see.

For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'

[duffyd]

For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'

The fact is most of his contemporaries rejected him even as he lived and worked and taught and healed the sick among them day in and day out as a member of the community. He knew that would happen, too. His own rejected him. His very own chosen people could not see what was taking place before their very eyes. "Evidence" is meaningless at times. They loved darkness.
He heals someone, miraculously, and everyone else is utterly amazed, dumbfounded, stunned. His own people observe the exact same thing and instead of acknowledging the miraculous, they decide he must be die!

[Bored chemist]

Nope; that doesn't hold water.
I have asked you to provide the facts which you say exist.
You have failed to even try.

Perhaps I should expand on that.
If you think there are such facts then cite them.
If you are right then, because they are (by definition) revelation  of God, then not just I, but everybody will accept them.

You can't blame me for not listening, when you don't speak.


On the other hand, you say "

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rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.
No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.
Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.
Have a look at the updated version.
The point s that  if such proof actually existed, it would be known to all.

How do you know that?

And again...

No
It's your job to provide the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim>
However, I did explain why it's true.
If such facts existed, everybody would know about them by now.
Just post them on facebook, and wait.

But you say

You have made that claim without any foundation that I can see.

And that's the difference.
I post information; you don't see it.
I ask for information; you don't post it.

And that, I contend, is because you know that you can not actually do what you claim.

[duffyd]

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rely upon scientific evidence and many other facts revealing God.
No such facts exist.
People may be mistaken about it.
Your opinion offered without substantive factual backing.
Have a look at the updated version.
The point s that  if such proof actually existed, it would be known to all.

How do you know that?

And again...

No
It's your job to provide the extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim>
However, I did explain why it's true.
If such facts existed, everybody would know about them by now.
Just post them on facebook, and wait.

Phillip Zimbardo of Stanford conducted a small experiment with his students. Volunteers were chosen randomly to be fake prisoners or fake guards in a fake makeshift jail, that wasn't a jail at all. Everything was fake. It was an experiment to see how bright, ethical young men would respond as they played their roles. 

Zimbardo played the prison superintendent.

In a few days the "evidence" that they were merely playing parts vanished and the situation escalated to an abusive, out of control, dangerous feeding frenzy and they had to shut it down.

[Bored chemist]

Phillip Zimbardo of Stanford conducted a small experiment with his students. Volunteers were chosen randomly to be fake prisoners or fake guards in a fake makeshift jail, that wasn't a jail at all. Everything was fake. It was an experiment to see how bright, ethical young men would respond as they played their roles. 

Zimbardo played the prison superintendent.

In a few days the "evidence" that they were merely playing parts vanished and the situation escalated to an abusive, out of control, dangerous feeding frenzy and they had to shut it down.

So, nothing relevant then?

Or are you saying the priests are the counterpart to the prison guards?