[xersanozgen (OP)]

Why do you call real, observable phenomena like time dilation " mystical/fantatic results."?

When we look to sky, we see the celestial objects that each one of them is not at its simultaneous position and its real age. Whereas we can see all of them in the same plan/frame although the sight is an space-time illusion. The reason of this illusion is the value of light’s velocity is not infinity; theoretically, we cannot see anything simultaneously. But somebody may link this illusion to SR.

And somebody may link to SR my virtual/visual experiment too. Whereas the inferences of this experiment are caused with the reason of finite/limited value of light’s velocity. SR bases on the fixed value of light’s velocity.  A serious nuance is mentioned. However, many people interpret/suppose these some visual deformations are reasoned by SR (*) and they can be convinced. In my opinion, they don’t know the essence of SR. As if the fallacies and rationalisations (making something reasonable) protect the SR.

 Nobody gets  offended. It goes on like this. Much people never desist from SR; because it has a confusing potential .


Much people don't know the essence of SR or they have second-hand knowledge.  Perhaps, I would convince Einstein, If he would be alive.

(*) the deformations of  SR's dimension units are genuine. Please remember Fitzgerald contraction.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

This (#4) is the only quantized statement, and SR does not predict it.  The experiment was first performed in 1971 (Hafele–Keating) and the two clocks were not equal, as predicted by relativity, and thus falsifies your not-even-Newtonian assertions.  The experiment is performed every day these days.

 Atomic clocks are directly effected by gravity. Yes they are quite sensitive. But, even if they are not move, their tempo change because of  gravity. So, this quality is not link to SR and GR. The boiling degree of water varies with height.
Similarly, Atomic clocks' tempo changes with altitude.

On the other hand, you are right for amount of time difference; because the observer has universal speed according to LCS. So, the photon's traveling way is changing in accordance with this speed. I said "equal" for first step of explanation.

[Kryptid]

The boiling degree of water varies with height.

That's because of air pressure, not gravity.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

The boiling degree of water varies with height.

That's because of air pressure, not gravity.

Pressure is correct.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

That article is hidden behind a paywall. Not exactly useful for debates.

The possibility  of cosmological analysis due to a new method  “Light Coordinate System (LCS)” :

Light coordinat system or outer space is considered as a common reference frame for a photon and its source (celestial object: cluster of galaxies or super cluster).

The absolute form (through God’s eye) of the universe may be a spherical surface in accordance with expansion theory.  the form of visible universe (through an observer’s eye that he is placed on the spherical surface) is found easily because of limited/finite value of light's velocity (NVE.   Observational and simultaneous astronomical parameters can be theoretically calculated by using these absolute and visible forms for various ages of the universe and some diagrams can be generated according to these ages. The similarity of diagrams (e.g., Hubble constant – distance, redshifts-distance), including “theoretically visible” and “real observational” data, verifies the consistency of this method. Besides, it has been indicated that in accordance with their distances different values of the Hubble constant (H0 = 80 – 50 km/sec/mpc) represent a unique value (HA) of the absolute form of universe. 
Observational parameters are deformed values because of NVE. However we can see the relation of deformed and absolute values of astronomical parameters due to this LCS method. We can study with simultaneous values of observational values of parameters.

Eventually, the actual age of the universe can be determined by overlapping some real observational data on various diagrams.

For full method (analysis, tables, graphics etc) and details:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013PhyEs..26...49E

[Bored chemist]

Why do you call real, observable phenomena like time dilation " mystical/fantatic results."?

When we look to sky, we see the celestial objects that each one of them is not at its simultaneous position and its real age. Whereas we can see all of them in the same plan/frame although the sight is an space-time illusion. The reason of this illusion is the value of light’s velocity is not infinity; theoretically, we cannot see anything simultaneously. But somebody may link this illusion to SR.

And somebody may link to SR my virtual/visual experiment too. Whereas the inferences of this experiment are caused with the reason of finite/limited value of light’s velocity. SR bases on the fixed value of light’s velocity.  A serious nuance is mentioned. However, many people interpret/suppose these some visual deformations are reasoned by SR (*) and they can be convinced. In my opinion, they don’t know the essence of SR. As if the fallacies and rationalisations (making something reasonable) protect the SR.

 Nobody gets  offended. It goes on like this. Much people never desist from SR; because it has a confusing potential .


Much people don't know the essence of SR or they have second-hand knowledge.  Perhaps, I would convince Einstein, If he would be alive.

(*) the deformations of  SR's dimension units are genuine. Please remember Fitzgerald contraction.

That did not answer my question.
Why do you dismiss reality as fantasy?

Time dilation is real.

[Bored chemist]

 Atomic clocks are directly effected by gravity.

Yes they are.
And the way in which they are affected is general relativity.
Why are you trying to pretend that it is not?

[Kryptid]

For full method and details: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013PhyEs..26...49E

Paywall.

[Bored chemist]

For full method and details: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013PhyEs..26...49E

Paywall.

And, judging it by the abstract, not worth paying  for.
"How is cosmological relativity can be analyzed when the finite value of the velocity of light is considered as the primary reason of the space-time illusion/perception? In this study, an analysis of space-time is provided, and a practical model is presented in accordance with Galilean relativity and expansion theory. The results of astronomical observation can be transformed into simultaneous data using this model (with the relations of visible-absolute forms of universe)."

[xersanozgen (OP)]

Why do you call real, observable phenomena like time dilation " mystical/fantatic results."?

When we look to sky, we see the celestial objects that each one of them is not at its simultaneous position and its real age. Whereas we can see all of them in the same plan/frame although the sight is an space-time illusion. The reason of this illusion is the value of light’s velocity is not infinity; theoretically, we cannot see anything simultaneously. But somebody may link this illusion to SR.

And somebody may link to SR my virtual/visual experiment too. Whereas the inferences of this experiment are caused with the reason of finite/limited value of light’s velocity. SR bases on the fixed value of light’s velocity.  A serious nuance is mentioned. However, many people interpret/suppose these some visual deformations are reasoned by SR (*) and they can be convinced. In my opinion, they don’t know the essence of SR. As if the fallacies and rationalisations (making something reasonable) protect the SR.

 Nobody gets  offended. It goes on like this. Much people never desist from SR; because it has a confusing potential .


Much people don't know the essence of SR or they have second-hand knowledge.  Perhaps, I would convince Einstein, If he would be alive.

(*) the deformations of  SR's dimension units are genuine. Please remember Fitzgerald contraction.

That did not answer my question.
Why do you dismiss reality as fantasy?

Time dilation is real.

My article "Essential factors for light kinematics and special relativity" (http://vixra.org/abs/1903.0044) presents sufficient arguments and an answer.

As summary, light kinematics includes and requires 7-8 factors; when two factors of them are considered, mystical/fantastic inferences are emerged (There are many examples in science history. Karl Popper had mentioned this subject). In addition, SR has applied the relativity consept for the relation of a photon and its source as "genuine relativity". . Whereas in deeply analyzing/examining, it can be seen that the relation of a photon and its source is the type "hypotetical relativity" (*).

The arguments are transparent /clear.

Of course, some people has emotional or mental resistance. But if they consider these new ideas, their wisdom and vision will improve.

(*) To understand and internalize only this inaccuracy is sufficient for  verifing the claim.

[Bored chemist]

The arguments are transparent /clear.

Of course, some people has emotional or mental resistance. But if they consider these new ideas, their wisdom and vision will improve.

You are entirely correct on those points, but incorrect in your assessment of which side you are on.

[Bored chemist]

Why do you call real, observable phenomena like time dilation " mystical/fantatic results."?

When we look to sky, we see the celestial objects that each one of them is not at its simultaneous position and its real age. Whereas we can see all of them in the same plan/frame although the sight is an space-time illusion. The reason of this illusion is the value of light’s velocity is not infinity; theoretically, we cannot see anything simultaneously. But somebody may link this illusion to SR.

And somebody may link to SR my virtual/visual experiment too. Whereas the inferences of this experiment are caused with the reason of finite/limited value of light’s velocity. SR bases on the fixed value of light’s velocity.  A serious nuance is mentioned. However, many people interpret/suppose these some visual deformations are reasoned by SR (*) and they can be convinced. In my opinion, they don’t know the essence of SR. As if the fallacies and rationalisations (making something reasonable) protect the SR.

 Nobody gets  offended. It goes on like this. Much people never desist from SR; because it has a confusing potential .


Much people don't know the essence of SR or they have second-hand knowledge.  Perhaps, I would convince Einstein, If he would be alive.

(*) the deformations of  SR's dimension units are genuine. Please remember Fitzgerald contraction.

That did not answer my question.
Why do you dismiss reality as fantasy?

Time dilation is real.

Still waiting...

[xersanozgen (OP)]

In life, much subjects include relational integrity. For example, macroeconomics is an important section of our life; and if we want to accurately analyze current events, we have to consider all of primary and secondary factors (Geopolitical Factors, Cost of energy, Balance of Payments, Supply & Demand, Industrial Production, Gross Domestic Product,  Retail Sales, Interest Rates, Employment Data, Monetary Policy, Economic Indicators, Shocks/chrisis, etc.).

However, if we neglect to consider some of them, probably we cannot get useful inferences; even, if we isolate only 1-2 factors, we can find some inferences  like factoid/misinformation/occult/mystic.

Here, Light kinematics has many factors (the limited value of light's velocity, the types of relativity, primacy of co-reference frame, the presence of multi-sequential reference/relative frames, essence of Galilei’s relativity principles,  the top limit of speed for “hypothetical relativity” is 2c,  the principle of action-reaction, better/elaborative technical definition of parameters etc).

SR considers the fixity of light's velocity and the concept of "genuine relativity" for light's velocity according to every frame. So, SR isolates some factors or neglects some factors and the theory of SR finds some   exciting inferences.

We cannot ignore some factors for light kinematics.

[Bored chemist]

That did not answer my question.
Why do you dismiss reality as fantasy?

Time dilation is real.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

That did not answer my question.
Why do you dismiss reality as fantasy?

Time dilation is real.

Interesting.  As if, you harp/say "The sun turns around the Earth". In addition, you say "this is reality".

Einstein was aware of his own passion about mystisism and he had corresponded with Tagore about reality-mystisism.

In my opinion, you have to allow yourself for examining the clues that are presented on this topic. Of course your choice, yours willing.

Light kinematics is a universal event and it must be analyze on universal scale. So, if we want to analyze the motion of a photon according to its source; we have to use the parameters 'c' and V_u ( universal speed of the source) in formulas; not source's local value 'v'. Correct method is this.
 

[Kryptid]

Interesting.  As if, you harp/say "The sun turns around the Earth". In addition, you say "this is reality".

False analogy. Time dilation has been observationally supported many times whereas geocentrism has been observationally falsified many times.

[xersanozgen (OP)]

Time dilation has been observationally supported many times

which; how???

[Kryptid]

which; how???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_testing_of_time_dilation

[Bored chemist]

That did not answer my question.
Why do you dismiss reality as fantasy?

Time dilation is real.

[Bored chemist]

Interesting.  As if, you harp/say "The sun turns around the Earth". In addition, you say "this is reality".

The only bit that is interesting is how confident you are, even though you are plainly wrong.
I don't say the Sun turns round the Earth.
I say the sun and earth rotate about their mutual centre of gravity.
And I say that  because it is what the evidence supports.
I also say that time dilation is real, and I say that because it is what the evidence shows.