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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #220 on: 01/11/2019 16:56:32 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 31/10/2019 17:52:18
Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
Probably, you claims that the tests of GR verifies/protects the SR.

Special relativity has passed all of its tests as well, even without general relativity needing to be considered. The speed of light in a vacuum has been measured as being invariant in all reference frames, which is exactly what special relativity predicts. E=mc2 is a direct consequence of special relativity and has been measured to be correct to extreme precision:

Both E=mc2 and speed of light invariance are good evidence for the accuracy of special relativity. Time dilation and length contraction follow inevitably from speed of light invariance. The only way that the speed of light can be invariant in all reference frames is if space and time change in such a way that any attempt to measure the speed of light will come up with the same value.

Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
In my opinion, naked scientists must not confine himself to this "yes".

They don't. If sufficient experimental evidence against the accuracy of special relativity was acquired some day, then it would be falsified and we could discard it. However, no such thing has happened yet.

Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
A comparing material for Muon lifetime is inevitable. If not, you cannot know/detect the increasing of natural muons' lifetime; and attetion for that point: the speeds of natural muons and lab. mouns (comparison material) are a big fraction of c; as if, they are equal. So this reality cannot explain the effect of SR. Sometimes, scientific articles may include similar wrong interpretation ( e.g. please remember the Cold fusion case in Nature Journals) . No problem for people who convinced.

You keep talking about the muon thing and seem to forget that is far from the only evidence for special relativity. Even if we never knew anything about muons at all, we would still have more than sufficient evidence in favor special relativity's accuracy.

Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
The forum policy may forbid to discuss SR and GR like a religion or basic law. And I'll be enlightened that the date is early yet for new alternative theories, advanced horizontals about light kinematics and cosmology.

Your light kinematics model has been falsified because it predicts results that are at odds with experimental data.

Already, SR and GR have been adopted all over the world.

If you are so sure about SR and GR; in this case you do not need to worry.
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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #221 on: 01/11/2019 16:57:53 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/10/2019 20:34:11
Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
In my opinion, naked scientists must not confine himself to this "yes".
So, in your opinion we should get it wrong.
Why is that?
Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
please remember the Cold fusion case in Nature Journals
Yes, I remember. They published it with a huge disclaimer effectively  saying "we don't really trust this".
And they were right to do so, because it turned out that one bad experiment wasn't enough to overturn science.

It doesn't seem relevant to the current discussion.
Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
The forum policy may forbid to discuss SR and GR like a religion or basic law.
It does nothing of the sort.
It does ask anyone trying to say GR doesn't work to provide evidence.
You didn't
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/10/2019 20:35:16
Quote from: xersanozgen on 31/10/2019 11:08:50
However, publicated articles are sufficient for people who wants to believe. Nobody gets upset. SR is already a publicated article. Why do we discuss?
In your case, you do not discuss.
You just bleat that it's wrong, without giving us any reason to believe you.

Already, SR and GR have been adopted all over the world.

If you are so sure about SR and GR; in this case you do not need to worry and rush.

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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #222 on: 01/11/2019 17:19:50 »
SUMMARY AND FINAL


1- SR prefers the “genuine relativity (at the meaning of The value ' c ' is  the speed of moving away from its source; also after releasing f moment for the photon)” for the motion relation of a photon and its source.
              LCS (Light coordinate system) concept  uses the kind of “hypothetical relativity” for this relation. After releasing moment, the source can go to different directions according to its photon.

            2- SR prefers “relativity method” and assigns local objects (source/train/peron) for the role of  reference frame. And the source has to follow its photon for SR’s inferences.
              LCS concept uses outmost/external frame (outer space/LCS) for common reference frame. After emitting, the source can go to anywhere freely.

             3-SR considers that the K’ person will measure the velocity of light by the value ‘c’ and the photon will move away with this speed from its source.
            LCS concept sees the natural reality (continuousness of the event as a film) clearly: The photon and its source travels on parallel ways and K’ person never aware that he always measure the universal velocity of light (according to space not its source; because the measured values are isotropic).

           4- SR predicts that the way ( in figure: distance AB)of the photon will contract because of the relative speed of moving body ( v ).
          LCS concept absolutely sees the serious problem that the moving body has not yet travelled the way AB. The moving body performs a success in shortening the path it has not yet gone. (*)

         5-SR prioritize to verify Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction. 
        LCS method prioritize Light Kinematics and cosmology

         6-SR never allow cosmological analysis because of non-simultaneity of astronomical parameters.
        LCS method provides a possibility for cosmological analysis; and it can calculated the current age of universe quite elaborately than 1/ Ho. 

7- SR is an inference of earth-centric paradigm.
LCS concepts uses universal scale and it considers  that to assign local objects as reference frame can cause wrong perception like our humanity lesson about “Sun rotates around the Earth”.


Finally

It seems that the theory of special relativity will live for 2-3 centuries although these arguments and alternative functional LCS method; because, the people has already infected by SR. And some ones like me will be exposed to the mobbing by polemics, empty rhetoric etc.

(*) incredible miracle

For enthusiasts : Unsolved Problems in Special and General Relativity : Florentin Smarandache

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgxwDrvJCgdTLPvxbSMzFHvHtwVSD
* Fig. SR.pdf (18.32 kB - downloaded 210 times.)
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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #223 on: 01/11/2019 18:52:51 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 01/11/2019 17:19:50
FINAL
Good.

Relativity gives the right answer.
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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #224 on: 01/11/2019 20:06:59 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 01/11/2019 16:56:32
If you are so sure about SR and GR; in this case you do not need to worry.

I don't worry. It's not like I would need to worry even if relativity was wrong. It's not like I personally benefit from it.

Quote from: xersanozgen on 01/11/2019 17:19:50
And the source has to follow its photon for SR’s inferences.

No, it doesn't.
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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #225 on: 10/11/2019 15:30:33 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 01/11/2019 17:19:50
SUMMARY AND FINAL


1- SR prefers the “genuine relativity (at the meaning of The value ' c ' is  the speed of moving away from its source; also after releasing f moment for the photon)” for the motion relation of a photon and its source.
              LCS (Light coordinate system) concept  uses the kind of “hypothetical relativity” for this relation. After releasing moment, the source can go to different directions according to its photon.

            2- SR prefers “relativity method” and assigns local objects (source/train/peron) for the role of  reference frame. And the source has to follow its photon for SR’s inferences.
              LCS concept uses outmost/external frame (outer space/LCS) for common reference frame. After emitting, the source can go to anywhere freely.

             3-SR considers that the K’ person will measure the velocity of light by the value ‘c’ and the photon will move away with this speed from its source.
            LCS concept sees the natural reality (continuousness of the event as a film) clearly: The photon and its source travels on parallel ways and K’ person never aware that he always measure the universal velocity of light (according to space not its source; because the measured values are isotropic).

           4- SR predicts that the way ( in figure: distance AB)of the photon will contract because of the relative speed of moving body ( v ).
          LCS concept absolutely sees the serious problem that the moving body has not yet travelled the way AB. The moving body performs a success in shortening the path it has not yet gone. (*)

         5-SR prioritize to verify Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction. 
        LCS method prioritize Light Kinematics and cosmology

         6-SR never allow cosmological analysis because of non-simultaneity of astronomical parameters.
        LCS method provides a possibility for cosmological analysis; and it can calculated the current age of universe quite elaborately than 1/ Ho. 

7- SR is an inference of earth-centric paradigm.
LCS concepts uses universal scale and it considers  that to assign local objects as reference frame can cause wrong perception like our humanity lesson about “Sun rotates around the Earth”.


Finally

It seems that the theory of special relativity will live for 2-3 centuries although these arguments and alternative functional LCS method; because, the people has already infected by SR. And some ones like me will be exposed to the mobbing by polemics, empty rhetoric etc.

(*) incredible miracle

For enthusiasts : Unsolved Problems in Special and General Relativity : Florentin Smarandache

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgxwDrvJCgdTLPvxbSMzFHvHtwVSD

 I was waiting an objection about the technical essence of SR. There is an interesting point.

Someone (who claimed to know the theory well) would catch my mistake.
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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #226 on: 10/11/2019 16:16:50 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 10/11/2019 15:30:33
Someone (who claimed to know the theory well) would catch my mistake.
Your mistake was caught some time ago.
You keep posting nonsense.
This cartoon works just as well for disproving relativity as it does for inventing a perpetual motion machine.
https://xkcd.com/2217/


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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #227 on: 11/11/2019 08:44:41 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/11/2019 16:16:50
You keep posting nonsense.

You keep posting empty.

Please wait.

(I want to give a key clue: shortening of the photon's way.)
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Re: Do you want to be more clever than Einstein?
« Reply #228 on: 25/11/2019 09:14:24 »
Quote from: xersanozgen on 11/11/2019 08:44:41


Please wait.

(I want to give a key clue: shortening of the photon's way.)

If there is  any one who knows the essence of SR;  he would object immediately.

Because, SR does not aim to shorten the photon's way. Contrariwise, it wants to increase the numerical value of the way.

SR needs to provide x' / t' = c ; but AB < OB. Therefore it declerates time tempo by time dilation, so, the duration value of travelling is decreased; but this operation is not enough: Numerical value of photon's way must  be increased too. Thus the unit of length will be contracted.

As if, there is no one who wants to be more clever.

 
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