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Water absorbs microwave radiation because the photon energy packet can raise the electron energy to just the right level before the energy is translated to vibrational energy known as heat.
If a photon from all the emitting devices strike a water molecule in a cell at the same time the molecule is in quite an unstable state.
I would add that the argument that non-ionizing radiation cannot cause cancer because it cannot break DNA double bonds, has been disproven by the acceptance that the lower energy ultra-violet light can, with time, cause skin cancer.
Quote from: CliveG on 15/08/2019 14:55:03I would add that the argument that non-ionizing radiation cannot cause cancer because it cannot break DNA double bonds, has been disproven by the acceptance that the lower energy ultra-violet light can, with time, cause skin cancer.That's not the argument at all. DNA double bonds are not the point of failure.
Quote from: CliveG on 15/08/2019 14:55:03I would add that the argument that non-ionizing radiation cannot cause cancer because it cannot break DNA double bonds, has been disproven by the acceptance that the lower energy ultra-violet light can, with time, cause skin cancer.The principal mechanism for radiogenic tumorgenesis is the production of free radicals in the cell cytoplasm, which distort the hydrogen bonds between the strands of reforming DNA during mitosis, leading to incorrect crosslinking and local distortion of the daughter molecule. This is the underlying mechanism of stochastic effects at low dose rates. Since the trigger event occurs in a single cell, there is no threshold dose and a significant latency period between exposure and clinical symptoms. At high dose rates or in the presence of chemical rather than physical agents, the mechanism appears to be a matter of faulty or failed repair of direct thermal or chemical damage to an organ, resulting in deterministic effects. There is a threshold dose (the fairly sharp line between the protective response of sun tan and the repair failure of sun burn) and a very rapid onset of necrosis or carcinogenesis.
Quote from: CliveG on 15/08/2019 14:55:03I would add that the argument that non-ionizing radiation cannot cause cancer because it cannot break DNA double bonds, has been disproven by the acceptance that the lower energy ultra-violet light can, with time, cause skin cancer.PS you can't arbitrarily add the field amplitudes of EM radiation at different frequencies.
This is is called weasel-wording
Your statement is in general correct.
I know that cell radiation can be linearly polarized (often at 45 degrees)
Once more from Magda Havas "Carcinogenic effects of Non-Ionizing Radiation: A Paradigm Shift".
People who live within 500 m of cell phone antennas, and within 2 km of radio or TV broadcast antennas, have a greater risk of developing and dying from various types of cancers as do those occupationally exposed such as police officers using radar, telegraph operators, and radar exposed military personnel.
so many studies in different countries using different methods are getting similar results
NIR can and does cause cancer not by increasing the production of free radicals but by interfering with the repair mechanisms that neutralize free-radicals.
Quote from: CliveG on Today at 11:36:31 People who live within 500 m of cell phone antennas, and within 2 km of radio or TV broadcast antennas, have a greater risk of developing and dying from various types of cancers as do those occupationally exposed such as police officers using radar, telegraph operators, and radar exposed military personnel.Did you read that before you posted it?What you have said is that definite exposure to relatively high intensity EM radiation from police radios and military radars apparently protects you from radiation compared to those who are exposed at much lower levels.
You can't prove a negative, so you can't prove that it does no harm.But thanks for clarifying your position.Here's the TLDR version "Extensive research has been conducted into possible health effects of exposure to many parts of the frequency spectrum including mobile phones and base stations. All reviews conducted so far have indicated that exposures below the limits recommended in the ICNIRP (1998) EMF guidelines, covering the full frequency range from 0-300 GHz, do not produce any known adverse health effect. However, there are gaps in knowledge still needing to be filled before better health risk assessments can be made.".That is as close as it is possible to get (scientifically) to a declaration that phones are safe.
Quote from: CliveG on Today at 11:13:07 Once more from Magda Havas "Carcinogenic effects of Non-Ionizing Radiation: A Paradigm Shift".She gets a mention herehttp://loons38.rssing.com/chan-9751110/all_p61.html
Quote from: CliveG on Today at 11:32:01 I know that cell radiation can be linearly polarized (often at 45 degrees) To what?Did you just try to put that in to sound "sciencey"?
Quote from: CliveG on Today at 11:13:07 NIR can and does cause cancer not by increasing the production of free radicals but by interfering with the repair mechanisms that neutralize free-radicals. How?What evidence is there (apart from begging the question again)?
To the horizon. The angle one holds one phone at when listening by putting it to the ear.
You sound as if you are arguing that God does not exist
Why do you need to know "How"?
Quote from: CliveG on 16/08/2019 19:44:48To the horizon. The angle one holds one phone at when listening by putting it to the ear.That makes no sense.The angle I hold my phone in bed differs from that I use most of the time.But that's hardly the big problem. From the PoV of a cell- how do you define polarisation?
Quote from: CliveG on 16/08/2019 19:57:15Why do you need to know "How"? Well, you have no direct evidence. You claim it must be true because "ZZZ"..." and I ask how did you come to the conclusion that ZZZ is true?Why do I need to know if zzz is true?Because otherwise there's no reason to believe that you are not bullshiiting.Did you not understand that?
s well as the many instances where people are being harmed.
Using your logic this condition does not exist because the how is poorly understood.
While it may be psychosomatic to some (there are always cases in many illnesses that have no testable symptoms - pain for example) it is not the case for the majority of sufferers.
He was getting sick during the week and recovering on the weekend. He concluded something at work was making him ill. He started working in different offices, and finally got relief in the basement. He worked out that there was no WiFi in the basement. The neurologist agreed with his conclusion.