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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #640 on: 17/10/2023 18:18:09 »
Quote from: syhprum on 07/12/2020 13:23:57
Just a minor quibble why do correspondents write 1021 when they mean 10 to the power of 21 ?
Because superscript doesn't get carried through when you copy and paste something.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #641 on: 18/10/2023 03:21:42 »
Another article argues that AGI is already here.
https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-already-here/
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Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) means many different things to different people, but the most important parts of it have already been achieved by the current generation of advanced AI large language models such as ChatGPT, Bard, LLaMA and Claude. These ?frontier models? have many flaws: They hallucinate scholarly citations and court cases, perpetuate biases from their training data and make simple arithmetic mistakes. Fixing every flaw (including those often exhibited by humans) would involve building an artificial superintelligence, which is a whole other project.

Nevertheless, today?s frontier models perform competently even on novel tasks they were not trained for, crossing a threshold that previous generations of AI and supervised deep learning systems never managed. Decades from now, they will be recognized as the first true examples of AGI, just as the 1945 ENIAC is now recognized as the first true general-purpose electronic computer.

The ENIAC could be programmed with sequential, looping and conditional instructions, giving it a general-purpose applicability that its predecessors, such as the Differential Analyzer, lacked. Today?s computers far exceed ENIAC?s speed, memory, reliability and ease of use, and in the same way, tomorrow?s frontier AI will improve on today?s.

But the key property of generality? It has already been achieved.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #642 on: 18/10/2023 03:40:37 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 17/10/2023 16:53:48
Why do people try to build robots that look like humans? No engineer would design a machine that
needs half of its processing power to stand still
burns fuel at half maximum rate even when asleep
only has one opposable thumb on each hand
and so forth.

Evolution produced this dead end. Time for some intelligent design!
Elon Musk has explained in some interviews why Tesla will mass produce Optimus in humanoid form. That's because our working environments are generally designed for humans occupation. So if a robot is designed to do human's jobs in general, it better has humanoid form.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #643 on: 18/10/2023 09:04:32 »
Rubbish.

We have plenty of humans to do work that is suitable for humans. The value of robots is to do stuff that humans can't, or could be better done by something more specific to the job. 

The robots that assemble cars (particularly Teslas) don't stand on two legs or have four fingers and a thumb, and can lift half a ton every few seconds. That makes sense.

If you are trying to mine a 0.5 m thick seam of coal or ore, why dig a 2 m tunnel that humans can stand in, when a 0.5 m robot could do the job 4 times as efficiently?

If you are assembling circuit boards, why restrict yourself to the clumsiness of human hands when you could have a machine place and fix components within a few micrometers? 

If you are harvesting vegetables, why make a 2m tall machine with two hands that has to bend over, rather than a 1 m tall machine with ten cutters close to the ground?
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #644 on: 18/10/2023 12:55:25 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/10/2023 09:04:32
We have plenty of humans to do work that is suitable for humans. The value of robots is to do stuff that humans can't, or could be better done by something more specific to the job. 
Jobs which can be done better by non-humanoid robots will be continued that way. Humanoid robots were intended to replace or assist humans to do jobs that are too general or contain too many variations of sub-tasks to be assigned to a specialized form of robots.
Instead of being manually programmed, users can train them to replicate their actions. It would be harder if the robots are too much different in form and size compared to the trainers.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #645 on: 18/10/2023 14:46:27 »
I prefer to hire laborers. They like it too - better than collecting benefits whilst a machine tries to do their job. Plain language programming, self-fuelling and repairing, safety-conscious, often bringing new procedures and insights to the task, and if they run out of materials, they are quite capable of phoning the shop, ordering more, and taking the van to collect it. I don't have to show them how to use a saw, hammer or shovel and I wouldn't want them to "replicate my actions" anyway - I'm pretty crap at most trades. Best of all, they recognise when each part of the job is done (time to stop shovelling and start nailing) without needing a precise specification of "level" or "clean". 

Try saying "clear the ground, unload the delivery truck, and build a shed"  to a robot and see what happens. And if you do teach it, try doing the same thing on a different site tomorrow.

On thinking about it a bit more, the distinction is that animals are inherently goal-oriented and understand "good enough" for most jobs without needing precise tolerances. Asimov's Laws of Robotics or something similar are necessary because  machines are inherently task-oriented.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #646 on: 19/10/2023 03:17:06 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/10/2023 14:46:27
. Plain language programming, self-fuelling and repairing, safety-conscious, often bringing new procedures and insights to the task, and if they run out of materials, they are quite capable of phoning the shop, ordering more, and taking the van to collect it.
Next generation smart robots will also be able to do those things.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #647 on: 19/10/2023 03:19:29 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 18/10/2023 14:46:27
I don't have to show them how to use a saw, hammer or shovel and I wouldn't want them to "replicate my actions" anyway - I'm pretty crap at most trades.
The robot makers only need to train one robot once for each task. The training results can be duplicated to limitless number of identical robots through over the air update as necessary.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #648 on: 19/10/2023 03:24:15 »
https://notes.aimodels.fyi/memgpt-towards-llm-as-operating-system/
UC Berkeley unveils MemGPT: Applying OS architecture to LLMs for unlimited context
Combining an OS-inspired architecture with an LLM for unbounded context via memory paging
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Large language models like GPT-3 have revolutionized AI by achieving impressive performance on natural language tasks. However, they are fundamentally limited by their fixed context window - the maximum number of tokens they can receive as input. This severely restricts their ability to carry out tasks that require long-term reasoning or memory, such as analyzing lengthy documents or having coherent, consistent conversations spanning multiple sessions.

Researchers from UC Berkeley have developed a novel technique called MemGPT (project site is here, repo is here) that gives LLMs the ability to intelligently manage their own limited memory, drawing inspiration from operating systems. MemGPT allows LLMs to selectively page information in and out of their restricted context window, providing the illusion of a much larger capacity. This lets MemGPT tackle tasks involving essentially unbounded contexts using fixed-context LLMs.


MemGPT represents an important milestone in overcoming the limited context problem for LLMs. The key insights are:

Hierarchical memory systems allow virtualizing essentially infinite contexts.
OS techniques like paging and interrupts enable seamless information flow between memory tiers.
Self-directed memory management removes need for human involvement.
Rather than blindly scaling model size and compute, MemGPT shows we can unlock LLMs' potential within their fundamental constraints through software and system design.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #649 on: 19/10/2023 13:13:36 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/10/2023 03:19:29
The robot makers only need to train one robot once for each task. The training results can be duplicated to limitless number of identical robots through over the air update as necessary.
My construction gang can work anywhere without retraining. The sites vary from existing protected buildings in a noise-sensitive city, via derelict rubble and junkyards, to virgin woodland, but they can strip the site, build a shed and install an MRI unit, from a book of drawings. They even train their own apprentices whilst doing it.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #650 on: 19/10/2023 15:53:17 »
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The robot makers only need to train one robot once for each task. The training results can be duplicated to limitless number of identical robots through over the air update as necessary.
My construction gang can work anywhere without retraining. The sites vary from existing protected buildings in a noise-sensitive city, via derelict rubble and junkyards, to virgin woodland, but they can strip the site, build a shed and install an MRI unit, from a book of drawings. They even train their own apprentices whilst doing it.
Future robots don't retire. They can share experiences with one another. They can master the complex tasks fresh from the factory.
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #651 on: 26/10/2023 14:44:56 »
Future AI will be more humanlike, and balancing resources to improve effectiveness and efficiency.

Don't Use MemGPT!! This is way better (and easier)! Use Sparse Priming Representations!

GPT Prompt Strategy: Brainstorm, Search, Hypothesize, and Refine - THIS is the FUTURE!!

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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #652 on: 26/10/2023 15:04:11 »
Not very close at all
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #653 on: 26/10/2023 15:49:40 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 19/10/2023 15:53:17
They can master the complex tasks fresh from the factory.
So you have a carpenter robot and I have a human contractor. 

I tell my guy (Marek - he's very good): "We need a new reception desk in the office in London and a roof extension to the factory outside Bristol." Next day he gives me a price and orders the materials.

You tell your robot: er......um.....
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Re: How close are we from building a virtual universe?
« Reply #654 on: 27/10/2023 06:21:12 »
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They can master the complex tasks fresh from the factory.
So you have a carpenter robot and I have a human contractor. 

I tell my guy (Marek - he's very good): "We need a new reception desk in the office in London and a roof extension to the factory outside Bristol." Next day he gives me a price and orders the materials.

You tell your robot: er......um.....
Future robots will be able to do the same. They will only need seconds instead of days.
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« Reply #655 on: 03/11/2023 12:29:10 »
Shane Legg (DeepMind Founder) - 2028 AGI, Superhuman Alignment, New Architectures
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We discuss:
- Why he expects AGI around 2028
- How to align superhuman models
- What new architectures needed for AGI
- Has Deepmind sped up capabilities or safety more?
- Why multimodality will be next big landmark
- & much more

Timestamps
(0:00:00) - Measuring AGI
(0:11:41) - Do we need new architectures?
(0:16:26) - Is search needed for creativity?
(0:19:19) - Superhuman alignment
(0:29:58) - Impact of Deepmind on safety vs capabilities
(0:34:03) - Timelines
(0:41:24) - Multimodality

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« Reply #656 on: 04/11/2023 05:50:35 »
How to Keep AI Under Control | Max Tegmark | TED
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The current explosion of exciting commercial and open-source AI is likely to be followed, within a few years, by creepily superintelligent AI ? which top researchers and experts fear could disempower or wipe out humanity. Scientist Max Tegmark describes an optimistic vision for how we can keep AI under control and ensure it's working for us, not the other way around.
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« Reply #657 on: 04/11/2023 06:49:31 »
Analog computing will take over 30 billion devices by 2040. Wtf does that mean? | Hard Reset
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About the episode: This model of computing would use 1/1000th of the energy today?s computers do. So why aren?t we using it?

What if the next big technology was actually a pretty old technology? The first computers ever built were analog, and a return to analog processing might allow us to rebuild computing entirely.

Analog computing could offer the same programmability, power, and efficiency as the digital standard, at 1000x less energy than digital.

But would switching from digital to analog change how we interact with our technology? Aspinity is tackling the major hurdles to optimize the future landscape of computing.

I've been wondering about this idea since high school. I built and used a simple analog calculator for my scientific research competition using op-amps.
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« Reply #658 on: 05/11/2023 21:12:04 »
AGI Revolution: How Businesses, Governments, and Individuals can Prepare


Almost everyone involved in AI research and development said at some point that we need to solve goal alignment problem as soon as possible. Though someone might argue that with enough data, AGI and ASI will eventually solve it by themselves, considering that they will become smarter than every human individuals combined. But it would be better if we already solve it before those AGI and ASI models get too powerful, which would make their mistakes cost much more to the society where they operate. The worse case scenario would be, mistakes by some powerful AI models causes extinction event which subsequently prevent them and us from solvsolving the goal alignment problem in the first place.
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« Reply #659 on: 05/11/2023 21:39:28 »
Human Brain: The Original Surveillance Technology

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In this video, I'll explore the intriguing concept that our brains might just be the original surveillance technology. We'll take a deep dive into how our minds have evolved to observe, adapt, and anticipate, much like the way AI operates.

Meredith Whittaker's thought-provoking statement about AI being a "surveillance technology" sparked my curiosity. Is there a connection between the advanced surveillance capabilities of AI and the inherent surveillance mechanisms in our own brains? Let's find out.

We'll break down the parallels between AI functionality and the human brain. Are our brains finely tuned to navigate complex social environments and ensure our survival? Could our admiration for AI's predictive power actually be an appreciation for our own innate surveillance capabilities?

Join me as we scrutinize surveillance from its early roots in survival through environmental observation to the development of social surveillance within human societies. We'll explore how memory, predictive abilities, neuroplasticity, linguistic evolution, and more are all interconnected facets of our brains' surveillance prowess.

And don't forget, as AI advances and mirrors our surveillance instincts, it's essential to contemplate the ethical implications, safeguards, and impacts on society, governance, and personal interactions.

So, let's embark on this journey together, as we uncover the intriguing relationship between AI and the human brain in the context of surveillance. If you're curious like I am, stay tuned for a fascinating exploration of this topic.


Surveillance is part of conscious systems required to make informed decisions.
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