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Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« on: 23/01/2020 13:05:49 »
Using a Cartesian coordinate system

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Where E is energy and X is vector .

The linear function of X being a force ?


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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #1 on: 23/01/2020 14:45:44 »
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 13:05:49
Using a Cartesian coordinate system

 E/X = c ?

Where E is energy and X is vector .

The linear function of X being a force ?
No that is not correct.
Energy has the units kg-m^2/s^2
Force has the units kg-m/s^2

Energy divided by force leaves you with meters.  Meters are not a velocity, so obviously there is an error in your equation.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #2 on: 23/01/2020 15:52:18 »
Quote from: Origin on 23/01/2020 14:45:44
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 13:05:49
Using a Cartesian coordinate system

 E/X = c ?

Where E is energy and X is vector .

The linear function of X being a force ?
No that is not correct.
Energy has the units kg-m^2/s^2
Force has the units kg-m/s^2

Energy divided by force leaves you with meters.  Meters are not a velocity, so obviously there is an error in your equation.

The question was- is the speed of light a product of a linear function !

I presented a causality equation of the process that does not require units at this time .  An effect cannot occur before its cause .




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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #3 on: 23/01/2020 17:35:05 »
No, it is not.   Light has it's velocity, before it is emitted.  Emission is just a change in direction.

The linear velocity of light comes from an angular velocity of charge.

Charge is too small to emit light.  For for the relative long wavelengths of light, multiple charges, with a charge bond is needed.

The bonding field has the angular velocities of the charge, but the longer lengths for the bond.

The bond is the emitter, a dipole.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #4 on: 23/01/2020 17:37:31 »
Interesting collection of sciency words.

The answer to the original question is "no".
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #5 on: 23/01/2020 18:40:38 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/01/2020 17:37:31


The answer to the original question is "no".

Then you'd need to explain by what propulsion mechanism a photon was able to travel cdca247f7994f232db1fb4da88755518.gif?

You'd also have to explain why no , as no in itself is not a full answer !
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #6 on: 23/01/2020 18:46:52 »
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 15:52:18
The question was- is the speed of light a product of a linear function !
No, the speed of light through a vacuum is described in Maxwells Equations.  LIght and all EM radiation is an oscillating electric and magnetic field.
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 15:52:18
I presented a causality equation of the process that does not require units at this time .
What is a causality equation?  The process doesn't require units?  What is that supposed to mean?  Energy has units.  Force has units.  Units are kind of inherent to the process!
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #7 on: 23/01/2020 18:50:26 »
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 18:40:38
Then you'd need to explain by what propulsion mechanism a photon was able to travel ?
There is no propulsion.  Light can only travel at c through a vacuum.  As a matter of fact all massless particles travel at c in a vacuum and they cannot travel less than c in a vacuum.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #8 on: 23/01/2020 19:20:11 »
Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
No
It's the reciprocal of the square root of the product of two electromagnetic properties of a vacuum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave_equation
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #9 on: 23/01/2020 20:09:32 »
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 18:40:38
Then you'd need to explain by what propulsion mechanism a photon was able to travel ?
My explanation would be no better or more succinct than that given by Maxwell in 1862. But that wasn't the question.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #10 on: 23/01/2020 20:35:15 »
Quote from: OP
E/X= c ?
Normally, you would write a linear equation as y=ax+b
- Where x & y are the variables
- a & b are constants (b could be zero; if a=0 it is a degenerate linear function: a constant)

You can write E=hf   (Planck's Equation)
- Where E is energy
- h is Plank's constant
- f is the frequency of a photon
- this is a linear equation: E is proportional to f

And you can write c= fλ (or equivalently, f=c/λ)
- where teh constant c is the speed of light
- λ is the wavelength of light
- Again, f is the frequency
- This is not a linear equation: f is inversely proportional to λ

This then produces E=hc/λ, or Eλ/h = c.

- Which is something like what you were asking about. (where X=h/λ)
- But c & h are constants in this equation. You can't change c by changing E
- You can change E by changing λ.

PS: I hope I got this basic algebra correct...
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck%E2%80%93Einstein_relation
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #11 on: 23/01/2020 21:16:58 »
Quote from: evan_au on 23/01/2020 20:35:15
Quote from: OP
E/X= c ?
Normally, you would write a linear equation as y=ax+b
- Where x & y are the variables
- a & b are constants (b could be zero; if a=0 it is a degenerate linear function: a constant)

You can write E=hf   (Planck's Equation)
- Where E is energy
- h is Plank's constant
- f is the frequency of a photon
- this is a linear equation: E is proportional to f

And you can write c= fλ (or equivalently, f=c/λ)
- where teh constant c is the speed of light
- λ is the wavelength of light
- Again, f is the frequency
- This is not a linear equation: f is inversely proportional to λ

This then produces E=hc/λ, or Eλ/h = c.

- Which is something like what you were asking about. (where X=h/λ)
- But c & h are constants in this equation. You can't change c by changing E
- You can change E by changing λ.



My equation specifically ''asks'' about the linear momentum of light and the physical reasoning behind lights speed .
I appreciate your considerate reply but it doesn't directly answer my question in regards to the mechanism behind lights speed .
My logical formula specifically states the physical process and energy divided by a vector space . 

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I believe that is quite applicable in explaining the question .

In a 4 dimensional format :

E / ccb61b8b01649f64e18d25aca1d82653.gif=f(x)?


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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #12 on: 23/01/2020 22:11:07 »
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 21:16:58
My equation specifically ''asks'' about the linear momentum of light and the physical reasoning behind lights speed .
I appreciate your considerate reply but it doesn't directly answer my question in regards to the mechanism behind lights speed .
My logical formula specifically states the physical process and energy divided by a vector space . 



I believe that is quite applicable in explaining the question .

In a 4 dimensional format :

E / =f(x)?
These are nonsensical equations.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #13 on: 24/01/2020 00:43:31 »
The original equation was E/X = c  "where....X is a vector". We know that X = h/λ. Unfortunately h/λ is not a  vector.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #14 on: 24/01/2020 00:44:57 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 23/01/2020 17:37:31
Interesting collection of sciency words.

The answer to the original question is "no".
Great answer. Exactly right. Its all nonsense.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #15 on: 24/01/2020 00:47:05 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/01/2020 00:43:31
The original equation was E/X = c  "where....X is a vector". We know that X = h/λ. Unfortunately h/λ is not a  vector.
If E is energy and X is the magnitude of momentum (a vector) then that expression is true.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #16 on: 24/01/2020 00:52:37 »
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 15:52:18
An effect cannot occur before its cause .
Oh yes it can, by an enormous consensus! Look at the historic record of global temperature. It generally changes about 400 years before the change in CO2 level.  Anyone who thinks cause must precede effect is a dangerous and despicable climate change denier!
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #17 on: 24/01/2020 00:54:32 »
Quote from: Starlight on 23/01/2020 21:16:58
My equation specifically ''asks'' about the linear momentum of light and the physical reasoning behind lights speed .
The physical meaning of the speed of light comes from Maxwell's equations. and shown to be a function of u_o and e_0, the permeability and permativity of free space. The constancy of light is a postulate and has no derivation.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #18 on: 24/01/2020 00:59:47 »
Quote from: PmbPhy on 24/01/2020 00:47:05
Quote from: alancalverd on 24/01/2020 00:43:31
The original equation was E/X = c  "where....X is a vector". We know that X = h/λ. Unfortunately h/λ is not a  vector.
If E is energy and X is the magnitude of momentum (a vector) then that expression is true.

I stand corrected, sort of. Obviously h/λ is the magnitude of photon momentum but it contains no directional information.
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Re: Is the speed of light a product of a linear function ?
« Reply #19 on: 24/01/2020 01:21:10 »
It's quite apparent by now that this was an assertion disguised as a question. This belongs in New Theories.
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