[Bored chemist]

helps push the sugars of the blood, outward from the blood,

What does that even mean?

[Bobolink]

What does that even mean?

Based on Aqualad's posting history, it doesn't mean anything.

[puppypower (OP)]

The net affect is the bulk circulating water of the body is shifted more toward the oil side of the water-oil equation.

Nonsense.
Water is water.
The water in my lungs, where the virus might be, does not know about, and can not be affected by the fat deposits of my beer gut.

You do not seem to be have much experience in water side analysis. You appear to be oil side or the oil people.

Here is teachable observation that can help make my point. If you take the membranes off cells, they will still preferentially concentrate potassium ions, even without ion pumps. This observation has led to the oil side theory that ion pumps are not needed, but act as a failsafe. This is false.

Potassium ions, which are chaotropic, have a different impact on water, than do sodium ions, which are kosmotropic. The potential in water is different for each ions, even though both cations have a single positive charge. Each impacts the hydrogen bonding differently; opposites.

The long term affect of a higher concentrations of potassium, inside cells, is to cause the water to define a hydrogen bonding equilibrium, more slanted toward the chaotropic side. This steady state  impacts the way the water folds protein. If we remove the membrane, the potassium ions continue to be preferentially absorbed, since they was part of an equilibrium lock and key package that folded and chose these very proteins,

If a cell was to spend too much time without ion pumps, forcing a higher concentration of potassium, the equilibrium would start to shift. Other equilibrium decisions would need to be made. Ion pumping was key to evolution, since it forced specific water and protein equilibria. 

How do oilers explain this naked cell observation? 

If you add ethyl alcohol to water, although the alcohol is absorbed into the water to form a solution,  the methyl side groups of the alcohol, will adds surface tension to the water. The average hydrogen bonding is not the same as pure water. This difference in hydrogen bonding potential water can impact brain, since it will alter how water interacts with all proteins, that were not pack with this potential.

Long term alcohol abuse can impact the brain and mind as equilibria shifts. This can be reverse by simply stopping the alcohol equilibrium. The oil siders do not have a good explanation for alcohol and brain equilibria. This is not a organic-organic affect. It is organic, water and organic affect.

The same analysis is true of excess blood sugar and body fat. These will impact the hydrogen bonding characteristics of water and the water then interacts with different equilibria.

[Bored chemist]

Here is teachable observation that can help make my point. If you take the membranes off cells, they will still preferentially concentrate potassium ions, even without ion pumps.

If you take the membranes off a cell it's no longer a cell.
It doesn't have an inside or an outside.
There's nowhere to pump to or from. And there's nowhere for a concentration to be raised or lowered.

You appear to be oil side or the oil people.

That just doesn't mean anything.

The potential in water is different for each ions

In real science, the word potential has a carefully defined meaning.
Can you explain how it applies here?

If we remove the membrane, the potassium ions continue to be preferentially absorbed,

Absorbed into what?
It's not as if there is still a cell there.

You should stop wasting the site's bandwidth with this tripe.

[Bored chemist]

If you add ethyl alcohol to water, although the alcohol is absorbed into the water to form a solution,  the methyl side groups of the alcohol, will adds surface tension to the water.

In the real world, if you add alcohol to water, you reduce the surface tension.
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/je00019a016


Why do you post stuff that's so easily checked, but utterly wrong?

[Bored chemist]

Long term alcohol abuse can impact the brain and mind as equilibria shifts. This can be reverse by simply stopping the alcohol equilibrium.

Sadly, that's not true. The damage done to the brain by long terms alcohol use is not reversible on withdrawal.

Why tell that dangerous lie?

[puppypower (OP)]

Long term alcohol abuse can impact the brain and mind as equilibria shifts. This can be reverse by simply stopping the alcohol equilibrium.

Sadly, that's not true. The damage done to the brain by long terms alcohol use is not reversible on withdrawal.

Why tell that dangerous lie?

I was not thinking in terms of long term being 30 years of equilibrium changes due to a lifetime of drinking.  I was thinking more about shorter term change, such as when behavioral symptoms appear, but before the material equilibria of the brain and body change too far. 

One can drink too much, for one night, and take days to recover. This will not create too much long term equilibrium change in material configurations,  but it will still take several days to restore the previous balances of the short term dynamic equilibria. 

If you notice, alcohol will tend to increase spontaneity and the output of neural energy. Some people get louder, some will get more emotional, some will get more destructive, others will get more arrogance or confident. Many will no longer censor themselves. The brain is based on the water side of the equilibrium, while alcohol adds potentual from the oil side. This increase the hydrogen bonding potential of the blood. This potential can result in more discharge down spontaneous pathways, and higher neural energy output to reduce the potential. 

These new pathways, which are designed for the short term, can become permanent in the longer term. The long term drinking of alcohol can creates a behavioral redundancy due to preferred pathways used to release the potential. Drunks can become very linear. Longer term affects can alter material equilibrium in cells, some of which may not have time for full reversal.

[Bobolink]

  I was thinking more about shorter term change

I see, when you say long term, you mean short term.

If you notice, alcohol will tend to increase spontaneity and the output of neural energy. Some people get louder, some will get more emotional, some will get more destructive, others will get more arrogance or confident. Many will no longer censor themselves. The brain is based on the water side of the equilibrium, while alcohol adds potentual from the oil side. This increase the hydrogen bonding potential of the blood. This potential can result in more discharge down spontaneous pathways, and higher neural energy output to reduce the potential. 

Why do you insist on make stuff up?  Are you drunk?  Uh, I mean out of equilibrium?

[Bored chemist]

I was not thinking in terms of long term ...  I was thinking more about shorter term change

Do you see how we might not have  understood what you meant, given that what you said was

Long term alcohol abuse can impact the brain

Presumably, you now accept that you were talking nonsense- not least...

Within water and oil based systems, are also surface tension considerations.. Water will try to lower surface tension, which means minimize the organic and water surface area.

Water has a higher  surface tension than most organic liquids.

If you add ethyl alcohol to water, although the alcohol is absorbed into the water to form a solution,  the methyl side groups of the alcohol, will adds surface tension to the water.

In the real world, if you add alcohol to water, you reduce the surface tension.

The oil siders do not have a good explanation for alcohol and brain equilibria.

That's because the "oil siders" are a figment of your imagination.
The scientists have a fairly good understanding of how alcohol affects the brain.
It's been known for over 20 years.
https://www.nature.com/articles/38738

Interestingly, because I know that, I'm not one of the "oil siders"- (you said there the group who doesn't understand the effect of alcohol on the brain, and I do).
And yet you say.

You appear to be oil side or the oil people.

Your ideas contradict themselves.
They are therefore, certainly, wrong.
You should drop them in the interests of science.

[Bobolink]

You do not seem to be have much experience in water side analysis. You appear to be oil side or the oil people.

You appear to have lost your mind.

[puppypower (OP)]

You do not seem to be have much experience in water side analysis. You appear to be oil side or the oil people.

You appear to have lost your mind.

Run experiments where you dehydrate cells to see what happens. Once the water is gone, nothing will happen. Organic or oil side, alone,  is not enough to allow life or any of the chemical reactions displayed by cells.

Next, substitute any solvent you can think of, to replace the lost water, and now see that happens. What will happen is nothing will work properly and there will still be no sign of life. The organics of life cannot work properly with other solvents, besides water. They all evolved in water and water was the nanoscale environment for natural selection.

Finally, add water back and see what happens. Everything now works and even life reappears. This is not magic. Common sense, which is lacking in statistical science, tell me this all or not is not coincidence. But rather there is a 1.0 probability that water is key, since without water and in spite of substitutions, life only appears in water. 

The conclusion I would draw is water is critical to everything that occurs in the cell and is needed for life. If water did not have its finger in even pie, life and its activity could be induce without water and with other solvents. The organics of life should work with or without water. This was not observed.

The common sense approach would ask the question ,how does water uniquely impact everything. What are the common threads better water and all the organics ? The organic side approach to life ignores this. They use a casino oracle approach, to gloss over the water. They still display organic reactions, without water, even though th above experiments can conclusively show enzymes and DNA do not function, as written, if we remove the water.

I use the derogative; oil people, as a poke, since you guys are out touch with reality. Run the experiments above and prove it to yourself. I am being patient ,since biology needs remediation, if the goal is reality, and not just an oracle fantasy.

[Bored chemist]

Run experiments where you dehydrate cells to see what happens.

They generally die.

They all evolved in water

Weell, as far as we know, round here they all did.
Elsewhere; who can say?
Having said that, I strongly suspect that most life in the
Tha's not news. universe uses water.

Finally, add water back and see what happens. Everything now works and even life reappears.

Not reliably.

They still display organic reactions, without water, even though th above experiments can conclusively show enzymes and DNA do not function, as written, if we remove the water.

They generally don't say much about the test tube either.
Because, like water, for the most part, the test tube is just where it happens.

I use the derogative; oil people, as a poke, since you guys are out touch with reality.

You use a term that contradicts itself (as I posted earlier) to show that we have lost contact with reality.
Give your head a wobble.

Run the experiments above and prove it to yourself

If you do that experiment with most cells they die.
In some cases they don't.

What's the point of the experiment?
It doesn't tell us anything.

I am being patient ,since biology needs remediation, if the goal is reality, and not just an oracle fantasy.

That is word salad.

[puppypower (OP)]

Science is not about politics. Your name is ExChemist, so I expect common sense in chemistry. the impact of solvents is basis chemistry. Does the "ex" mean you used to be scientistic, before you decided to do political hatchet jobs? You appear to have lost your common sense in chemistry. Your arguments make you look like a bigot with an agenda, who lacks basic chemistry common sense. 

Solvents are critical to many chemical reactions. The solvents help to orientate and hold the reactants, so that can react easier. Some solvents like water even add free energy. This is also true of water and life. You can run test where you change the solvents, and the chemical reactions are not the same. This is a statement of fact. It is not a political opinion. You do not seem to know the difference. Maybe that is why you are the ex- chemist.

[alanarman20]

I think.. people has very misconception about Corona virus. They think it will immediately affect them.

We should have awareness for Corona virus. And most importantly, we should know that Social Distancing is the key to save your life from corona virus and defeat the covid-19.

[Bored chemist]

Your name is ExChemist,

Dishonest name calling isn't going to go down well on a science site.

Your arguments make you look like a bigot with an agenda, who lacks basic chemistry common sense. 

And perhaps you would like to back that up...
What basic chemistry do you think have I got wrong?

[puppypower (OP)]

Another observation about the Corona Virus is connected to blood clots. This is also consistent with the water-oil analogy. A blood clot suggests a surface tension affect within the blood. This is like an emulsion of water and oil. The clotting is helping to lower the surface tension within the blood water. High blood pressure, obesity and diabetes all are consistent with the oil side of the equilibrium. Now we can add blood clots to oil side, water-oil analysis.

All this data suggests, they the key to a good natural immune response, is a immune system that is slanted toward the water side. This better interfaces the immune system, to the CPU of the body, which is the brain. Brain activity is about water and ions, with neurotransmitters, adding a dash of oil side. It is not coincidence that blood vessels, nerves and the lymphatic tissue of the immune system, are found together near most cells. This is a control system. Natural and faith healing often involve command lines to the brain to impact the control system. 

[Bored chemist]

Natural and faith healing often involve command lines to the brain to impact the control system. 

And they often don't work...

[puppypower (OP)]

Your name is ExChemist,

Dishonest name calling isn't going to go down well on a science site.

Your arguments make you look like a bigot with an agenda, who lacks basic chemistry common sense.

And perhaps you would like to back that up...
What basic chemistry do you think have I got wrong?

All you do is complain on cue, but never try to teach. I assume your cannot teach and therefore your knowledge base is atrophied. A child of two will say "NO" to anything. You can ask him if he thinks Einstein theory of Relativity is valid, and he ill say "no", by habit on cue. You can then ask him the deepest questions, and he will say "no". Although he can say no and appear aware of the deepest questions, he cannot offer anything that supports his linear position. He can only create an illusion of independence, by being the cynic. I am using inference and experience.

Sorry about the ExChemist name calling. He is another person who does the same thing. You seemed to be the same person, or cast from the same mold. My suggestion is try to teach, instead of just say "no". and then appeal to emotions.

[Bored chemist]

Unlike the dross you post, my postings here do teach.
For example they teach that adding alcohol to water reduces the surface tension- unlike you who said it raised it.
I teach that alcohol causes permanent damage to the brain unlike you who says

Long term alcohol abuse can impact the brain and mind as equilibria shifts. This can be reverse by simply stopping the alcohol equilibrium.

And yet you say that I'm the one who makes basic errors in chemistry.
Yet, when I ask you to cite an example, you can't.


If it looks to you like I always say "NO", maybe that's because- as in the actual real examples which I can quote- you are wrong.
If you want to claim that you teach, first, you must learn.

And the bit about "appeal to emotions is particularly stupid when it comes from the fool who thought that name calling would work.

So, before you do anything else, you should actually answer my point (or accept that you simply lied)

What basic chemistry do you think have I got wrong?

[puppypower (OP)]

Natural and faith healing often involve command lines to the brain to impact the control system.

And they often don't work...

That is true because the command lines are deeper than the surface. To get that deep is not easy.

On the other hand, a more do-able goal is connected to a positive attitude. A positive attitude has been shown to be helpful to healing, compared to stress and a negative attitude. Both attitudes begin in the brain. They have a longer term impact on the water-oil equilibrium. This is not as quick as a command line tweak. However, it gradually leads to the same place.

The bogeyman approach is creating added fear and irrational stress that is not helping the immune response. We need to create a rational perspective to help moderate this induction with some common sense. It needs to be based on reason, which is calmer.

For example, if we compare all the leading causes of death, and how much we spend on each, we can see whether we are getting the most bang for the buck. We do not spend $trillions on heart disease, even though this is the leading cause of death. We could save even more lives than corona virus, if this was the main enemy and recipient of all the resources. If all lives are equally important, why not put all the money where the most lives can be saved?

The question becomes, why  is a Corona Virus infected life worth more than a heart disease life, if we are told that all lives are precious? It has to do wth the bogeymen affect. The bogeyman affect is brain based induction which can be used to inflate the lessor of two evils and cause more than realty stress. If fake news hyped heart disease as much as the corona virus, everyone would be hiding in their houses, to save their hearts, until a cure is found. All else beinh equal, we could double the number of lives we could save by changing priority based on live saved. I guess saving life is not the real goal of the corona virus spending, since the math does not support this assumption.

If we add stress to a person, their muscles will become more tense, and their body will need to burn more calories, compared to them being calm, relaxed and happy. Stress adds more fuel to the blood. While muscular stress adds lactic acid to the muscles. These add to the oil side of the equilibrium, within the water-oil analogy. it is very loosely similar to the impact of diabetes Both  add to the blood reduction potential, making it easier for the virus and harder to heal.

In the USA, data shows that Democrat run states average almost  3 times the mortality rates compared to Republican run states. Eight of the top ten death states, are run by Democrats with the other two in the top ten being swing states, where Democrat influence is strong. One may ask id there is a neural based correlation?

The Democrats in the USA is far more angry, fearful,  and stressed compared to the Republicans.. All you need to do is watch fake news and then a Trump rally, which the bogeyman now forbids.  Lying and propaganda takes more effort to perpetuate, than does telling the truth. The truth is fast and easy and the truth can defend itself. Lying takes many layers to hide,  confuse and spin. It appears the extra mortality may have come down to the extra stresses of the Democrats, feeding the oil side, thereby lowering the immune response.

We have a good opportunity to watch both neural approaches at work. The places that reopen for the summer will have happier people. This will help the water side. Places that make everyone hide with fear, from both the inflated evil of the virus, and the terrible boot of big brother, will be more stressed. This will favor the oil side. We can let this play out and see what happens.

I would prefer help those in Democrats controlled states, but I have no power against the boot of big brother and the influence of fake news and lying politicians.  In 2017, a wide range of top level Obama officials,  said under oath, that there as no Trump collusion with Russia. This was tucked way as a classified document that was not supposed to be opened under Trump. The same people then lied about the collusion for two years, on fake news. Fake news does not get upset about this revelation. They continuing to lie. It is up the Democrat base to pick health or pick sickness. They need otchoose what enters their minds and influences their bodies. This is like Passover and the path of faith in truth will save you. The other is path is where the bogeyman is, where you will be counted as a statistic in the fall. I have to speak out to save lives.