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Quote from: pensador on 14/03/2020 16:17:27 Similarly, according to Fenwick, the brain filters and perceives only a tiny part of the cosmos’ intrinsic “consciousness.”If I take a glass and dip it into an ocean, can it be said that I filter ocean water?
Similarly, according to Fenwick, the brain filters and perceives only a tiny part of the cosmos’ intrinsic “consciousness.”
Does the brain run various scenarios and then select a desired outcome?
If that was the case, you'd expect the brain to always choose the best outcome. Given that so many people are sick, poor and injured, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Not every ones brain is programmed the same or has the same pathways, so not everyone will make the same decisions.
Do you know how quantum computers are programmed ?
Quote from: pensador on 05/04/2020 17:06:59Does the brain run various scenarios and then select a desired outcome?If that was the case, you'd expect the brain to always choose the best outcome. Given that so many people are sick, poor and injured, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Unexpected results come from false assumptions. It happens due to incomplete information.
This pet rock is nurtured throughout science even though it has never been seen in the lab to prove if it is real. Everyone seems to see it out in space.
Not really. It's been a long time since I looked into them.
Let me give an example, say you had a toothache. While you moan in pain with the toothache, you also become an observational experiment, observed from the outside by others; third person. Would both data sets ; person with the pain and the person observing the person in pain be the same? The answer is no. Unless you have had a first hand experience of a toothache, there will be something missing in your external data relative to first hand consciousness.
In medical pain management, medicine often has a dilemma in terms of prescribing drugs for pain. Doctors cannot climb into someone else's skin and measure the pain. They need to depend on the patient telling them in the first person. The patient has a conscious awareness that cannot be easily derived in the third person. The third person approach has limitations when it comes to consciousness even in hospitals full of scientists and doctors.
A doctor is not allowed to operate on themselves, because the pain during surgery can impair one's conscious ability to operate.
This is interestinghttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/235773843_Crossing_the_Threshold_Non_local_Consciousness_and_the_Burden_of_Proof
Quote from: pensador on 07/04/2020 16:59:39This is interestinghttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/235773843_Crossing_the_Threshold_Non_local_Consciousness_and_the_Burden_of_ProofHere is a utube by the same guy who wrote the article in the above link. //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip6k-prj3bQ He might be mad, but then he might not be.
Quote from: puppypower on 07/04/2020 12:11:24Let me give an example, say you had a toothache. While you moan in pain with the toothache, you also become an observational experiment, observed from the outside by others; third person. Would both data sets ; person with the pain and the person observing the person in pain be the same? The answer is no. Unless you have had a first hand experience of a toothache, there will be something missing in your external data relative to first hand consciousness.Above is only true with current technology. When technology in direct brain interface is adequately advanced, simulating that pain can be so convincing we can no longer distinguish from the real pain.Quote from: puppypower on 07/04/2020 12:11:24In medical pain management, medicine often has a dilemma in terms of prescribing drugs for pain. Doctors cannot climb into someone else's skin and measure the pain. They need to depend on the patient telling them in the first person. The patient has a conscious awareness that cannot be easily derived in the third person. The third person approach has limitations when it comes to consciousness even in hospitals full of scientists and doctors.The same for this.Quote from: puppypower on 07/04/2020 12:11:24A doctor is not allowed to operate on themselves, because the pain during surgery can impair one's conscious ability to operate.It depends on the type of the operation. Many people can stitch their own skin.
The point I was making is there is internal data, available to individual consciousness, that cannot be easily collected from the outside. Your point is if we have hypothetical machines we will be able to overcome this barrier.
Quote from: puppypower on 09/04/2020 14:38:41The point I was making is there is internal data, available to individual consciousness, that cannot be easily collected from the outside. Your point is if we have hypothetical machines we will be able to overcome this barrier.The whole point of the thread is the consciousness may be external to the body, various articles have been presented, written by scientists working in the field (perhaps on the fringe). Some of these people have unnervingly plausible theories. What you are presenting isnt based on anything scientific, let alone related to the OP of the thread. Did you even take the opportunity to glance down any of the more recent papers I posted, or are you just convinced you are correct with NO scientific backup of your ideas. You mention god. God is a very general term. Define what version of god it is you think you might be referring too and how any of your posts relate to the OP, and back it up with scientific reasoning.
Maybe next time I will discuss the research I did over many decades, many moons ago.
Quote from: puppypower on 11/04/2020 14:56:44Maybe next time I will discuss the research I did over many decades, many moons ago.How do you define consciousness in your research? How does it relate to clinical consciousness? How does it relate to other concepts such as intelligence and self awareness? What are the minimum requirements for a being to be called conscious?