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Recombination occurred when the universe was about 380000 years old and the temperature was about 3000K.
There is no source point. The inverse square law does not apply.
Your calculation of the current CMB level it totally wrong.
Yes there is.
Yes there is. You claim that the Universe was dense and hot.
So if you take the calculation from the moment of the Recombination, than you have to verify the volume (or distance) from that time.
I have already found that based on the rate expansion, every 1200 years the Universe increases it volume by 8.If we just consider 13BY after the Recombination, than there are about 11,000,000 segments of 1,200 yearsSo, the universe had increased its volume by 88M:11,000,000 * 8 = 88,000,000
This by itself should kick down the BBT.
The red shift gives an indication for a distance.
If you insist to verify the energy due to the distance (redshift), than you should know the formula of the inverse square law radiation reduction.
Try to use it and see that even in this case the temp should fall down almost to zero.The 2.7K is feasible ONLY for infinite Universe.The Value of 1089 in the redshift indicates that the contribution of the energy in the CMB is coming mainly from a sphere of about 45 BLY.We can't get significant energy from galaxies that are located too far away from that sphere. However, the impact of the infinite galaxies up to the infinity set the BBR.If we could run a simulation for Infinite Universe based on the current density we should get exactly the same CMB that we see today
The universe did not expand away from some point in space, every point in space expanded, there was no central point, so there was no mythical point source.My bet is this concept is way over your head.
Just to be clear these, are not my claims. These are the findings of physicists, astronomers and astrophysicists. I have looked at the evidence and it seems very compelling.
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Today at 15:39:50I have already found that based on the rate expansion, every 1200 years the Universe increases it volume by 8.If we just consider 13BY after the Recombination, than there are about 11,000,000 segments of 1,200 yearsSo, the universe had increased its volume by 88M:11,000,000 * 8 = 88,000,000It is not surprising that you would make such an egregious error considering your rudimentary understanding of cosmology.
Quote from: Dave Lev on Today at 15:39:50I have already found that based on the rate expansion, every 1200 years the Universe increases it volume by 8.If we just consider 13BY after the Recombination, than there are about 11,000,000 segments of 1,200 yearsSo, the universe had increased its volume by 88M:11,000,000 * 8 = 88,000,000
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Today at 15:39:50If you insist to verify the energy due to the distance (redshift), than you should know the formula of the inverse square law radiation reduction.Now we are back to ignorance on display. No you are wrong again.
Quote from: Dave Lev on Today at 15:39:50If you insist to verify the energy due to the distance (redshift), than you should know the formula of the inverse square law radiation reduction.
If you think that I have an error, than would you kindly set the calculation by yourself or find an article with the relevant calculation.
Well, you have to take a decision
You can't just hold the stick in both sides..
You claim specifically that "every point in space expanded"However, our scientists claim that there was no space before the bang, so how could you expand every point in space while the space is missing?
In any case, let's assume that there was space.If there was a space and no central point, than any point in that space should be considered as a central point.So, there are two options:1. The space is infinite - In this case in order to fulfill the "no central point" the Space/universe must be infinite.2. The space is finite and compact - In this case, there must be a central point - the compact/finite space itself in the infinite universe.
Actually there is a clear contradiction between finite universe to "no central point"
So, at the recombination time the universe was much compact than our time.
That compact universe/space has a volume.
You don't have to be physicists, astronomers and astrophysicists to understand that if you increase the volume you directly decrease the density. If you decrease the density you also decrease the temp radiation/energy proportionally.
You are hopeless!
Quote from: Bobolink on 25/04/2020 14:27:28You are hopeless!As I know all too well. He had a prior thread called "How gravity works in spiral galaxy?" where he and I discussed this exact same "theory" of his from last March to last December. I made absolutely no progress towards teaching him the error of his ways. If you plan on sticking this out, you're in it for a long haul.
I have found that every 1200 years the volume of the Universe is increasing by 8.
Our physicists, astronomers and astrophysicists can't just change the law of science according their wishful thinking.
Would you kindly show me on which law in physics they have based their calculation in order to extract the temp from the redshift?
Can you please show me how they have got to that unbelievable idea of dividing the 3000k temp by the value of the current redshift?
Sorry - the temp must be a direct outcome of density or distance.Any other calculation is a pure fiction even if it is made by very smart physicists, astronomers and astrophysicists.
You can't just claim that the physics books/law are based on ignorance.
If you wish I can offer you those physics books /law of how to calculate the radiation/energy due to distance/volume.
You can't just claim that I'm wrong without backup yourself with a clear physics law.
Even those 100,000 physicists, astronomers and astrophysicists must base their calculations on physics law.So please, show me the physics law of their unrealistic calculation.
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 19:38:32Can you please show me how they have got to that unbelievable idea of dividing the 3000k temp by the value of the current redshift?What crazy person would divide temperature by redshift? What in the hell would that tell you?
Quote from: Dave Lev on Yesterday at 19:38:32Can you please show me how they have got to that unbelievable idea of dividing the 3000k temp by the value of the current redshift?
What crazy person would divide temperature by redshift?
Look at those people who dare to raise their voices against the mainstreamDarwin had been totally neglected from its society.Galileo had been set in prison for claiming that we are not the center of the Universe.Just think about it - how could he dare for that claim? Shame on him!!!So, why they have both decided to go against the main stream at their time and totally be ejected from their society.
You can have Universe without space or space without universe.You can have a dense and high temp without Universe or spaceYou can hold the time if you wish.You can get for free infinite energy at a brief of a momentYou can set a bang with "no central point" without any need for space or universe.You can convert that imagination energy into real particles atoms and even stars and galaxies without any need for electromagnetic.You can get dark matter wherever is needed and at any requested complex density to hold your spiral galaxy in place.You can also get unlimited dark energy to boost the far away galaxies.No need for any physics books /law. They will make the calculation for you - "No need to, I have done the calculations."You can also get free of charge an expansion in space - "Expansion increased the wavelength of that first burst of BBR when the universe became transparent, to this low energy microwave radiation that corresponds to a body at 2.7 K"
No one really appreciate my message.
T (during recombination time) /Redshift =3000K/1089 = 2.7548K
I have already found that based on the rate expansion, every 1200 years the Universe increases it volume by 8.
If we just consider 13BY after the Recombination, than there are about 11,000,000 segments of 1,200 yearsSo, the universe had increased its volume by 88M:11,000,000 * 8 = 88,000,000
QuoteQuote from: Dave Lev on 25/04/2020 15:39:50I have already found that based on the rate expansion, every 1200 years the Universe increases it volume by 8.Another random number pulled out of your arse it seems. Off by 7 orders of magnitude if based on actual empirical measurements.
Quote from: Dave Lev on 25/04/2020 15:39:50I have already found that based on the rate expansion, every 1200 years the Universe increases it volume by 8.
Let's look again in the following explanation about the expansion:https://www.space.com/17884-universe-expansion-speed-hubble-constant.html"thanks to NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, and it's a doozy. Space itself is pulling apart at the seams, expanding at a rate of 74.3 plus or minus 2.1 kilometers (46.2 plus or minus 1.3 miles) per second per megaparsec (a megaparsec is roughly 3 million light-years)."Therefore, the expanding rate is about 75 kilometers per second per 3 million light years.1 Day = 86400 SecondsIn one day the expansion rate is 75 x 86,400 = 6,480,000 km1 Year = 365 daysIn 1,000 years = 365 10^3 days. So, in one 1,000 years the expansion is: 6,480,000 * 365 *10^3 = 2.3652 * 10 ^12 kmWe know that 1 Light Year = 9.4605E+12 KilometersWe also know that the expanding rate is about 75 kilometers per second per 3 million light year.Therefore, 3 Million LY means9.4605 10^12 * 3 = 28.3815 10^12 kmSo, in order for the expansion to multiply the size 3LY, we need:1,000 year * 28.3815 10^12 km / 2.3652 * 10 ^12 km= 12,000 YearsHence, 12,000 years are needed for the expansion to multiply the distance of two nearby galaxies from 3Light years to 6 Light years.So, in 12,000 years a Volume of the 3x3x3 = 27 Ly cube had been increased to 6x6x6 = 216 lyTherefore, in every 12,000 years the volume of our space is increasing by 6^3/ 3^3 = 3^2 = 8So, let's see the meaning of this expansion:
QuoteQuoteIf we just consider 13BY after the Recombination, than there are about 11,000,000 segments of 1,200 yearsSo, the universe had increased its volume by 88M:11,000,000 * 8 = 88,000,000The math illiteracy displayed here is amazing.If the volume goes up by 8 every 1200 years, then in 13BY the volume would grow by 8^11,000,000, not 8 * 11M.
QuoteIf we just consider 13BY after the Recombination, than there are about 11,000,000 segments of 1,200 yearsSo, the universe had increased its volume by 88M:11,000,000 * 8 = 88,000,000
That proves that something must be wrong.
If my calculation is correct, than there must be an error in the BBT.
Then obviously your calculation is wrong.