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why would a scientist accept the bible
« on: 01/04/2020 08:45:34 »
im by no means a scientist or even highly educated. but the last 20 odd years (since the internet) it always seems to be my hobby to learn about all things science. if i could have my life over i would have studied hard and tried to become some kind of braniac.

so in all my reading about all kinds of subjects there is always the same common underlying theme that is there if you decide to see it. that the religions of the world are just wrong.

there is so much scientific and mathematical evidence against the bible that it is just staggering that any educated (scientific) person accepts it. for a laymen i get it. the whole 'feel good' or 'someone watching down upon us' is a very sobering thought. and if you dont know any better than why not believe it. (that used to be me) but anyone that bothers to invest the time to learn about the world around us and learns a bit from each field of science(and maths) can easily see that the bible just simply does not correspond with what we observe in the world. (this is inherently different to the concept of a creator though)

so, given all the knowledge that man has now, why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #1 on: 01/04/2020 09:32:38 »
It's a ramshackle collection of historical fact swimming in myth and magic, with a few good ideas for survival in a desert (Leviticus) and an urban society (Mark). A sound basis for workers' rights ("six days shalt thou labor…"  "the laborer is worthy of his hire....") and some  general commandments that underpin most criminal and civil law. But it doesn't provide any excuse for tithes, pogroms, crusades,  inquisitions, self-flagellation, paedophilia, shunning, pilgrimage...… or any evidence for the supernatural or an afterlife, and the reification of the adjectives "good" and "evil" is an insult to the human intellect.
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #2 on: 01/04/2020 10:09:11 »
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It's a ramshackle collection of historical fact swimming in myth and magic, with a few good ideas for survival in a desert (Leviticus) and an urban society (Mark). A sound basis for workers' rights ("six days shalt thou labor…"  "the laborer is worthy of his hire....") and some  general commandments that underpin most criminal and civil law. But it doesn't provide any excuse for tithes, pogroms, crusades,  inquisitions, self-flagellation, paedophilia, shunning, pilgrimage...… or any evidence for the supernatural or an afterlife, and the reification of the adjectives "good" and "evil" is an insult to the human intellect.

so what your saying is something like. "hey theres some good stuff in it so why not"
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #3 on: 01/04/2020 23:51:15 »
One can reasonably accept it for what it is, though not what Believers claim it to be, with the reservations that the NT, at least, was not written contemporaneously and the whole thing has been collated edited and translated to the point where it represents the interests and prejudices of its editors and translators as much as its original authors.

My favorite example is where the Hebrew version of Genesis states that all animals were created with a soul ("nefesh") but most Latin and English versions do not, in order to justify blood sports. Frankly, if you doubt the authenticity of Chapter One, it's not a good idea to base serious life choices on the rest of the book. So use the Talmud (because the scrolls are copied, not edited or translated) for guidance, and take the rest with a pinch of salt.
There's the "why not". 

The dietary laws and the bases of commandments and proportionate justice, are reflected to some extent in most societies, so it's a handy compendium of what most people would consider reasonable anyway, but the references to a deity are clearly allegorical rather than factual.
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #4 on: 02/04/2020 06:13:38 »
Quote from: jfoldbar on 01/04/2020 08:45:34
im by no means a scientist or even highly educated. but the last 20 odd years (since the internet) it always seems to be my hobby to learn about all things science. if i could have my life over i would have studied hard and tried to become some kind of braniac.

so in all my reading about all kinds of subjects there is always the same common underlying theme that is there if you decide to see it. that the religions of the world are just wrong.

there is so much scientific and mathematical evidence against the bible that it is just staggering that any educated (scientific) person accepts it. for a laymen i get it. the whole 'feel good' or 'someone watching down upon us' is a very sobering thought. and if you dont know any better than why not believe it. (that used to be me) but anyone that bothers to invest the time to learn about the world around us and learns a bit from each field of science(and maths) can easily see that the bible just simply does not correspond with what we observe in the world. (this is inherently different to the concept of a creator though)

so, given all the knowledge that man has now, why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book

You've listed a number of objections. Would you mind getting specific?

Francis Collins, B.S. chemistry University of Virginia 1970, Ph.D. physical chemistry, Yale University 1974. Led the National Institutes of Health for President Barack Obama. He headed the successful drive to sequence the human genome. As director of the NIH, he oversaw 27 institutes with an annual budget of more than $30 billion.

As the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute since 1993 — what some call the most prestigious job in science — Collins has led the effort to decode human DNA, along the way developing a revolutionary method of screening genes for disease. Yet according to this widely respected scientist, the newfound power to "read our own instruction book" is no obstacle to faith in the existence of God. He converted from atheism to Christianity in his twenties after seeing how radically his patients' faith transformed their experience of suffering, and after reading several works by C.S. Lewis. Some 30 years later, he stands by his convictions, positioning science not as substitute for theology, but as a subset of it. Here, Collins traces out his personal path to God, and explains how his faith affects his work.

Read his book, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #5 on: 02/04/2020 10:22:41 »
There's an interesting notion that religion actually drove the development of science. The belief that the universe is in some way ordered may be what prompted our forbears to investigate that order rather than merely accept it. However as things turned out

(a) the perverts who organise religion tend to silence those who disagree (Bruno, Galileo.....) whereas the essence of the scientific method is disagreement

(b) the deeper we probe into the mechanisms of the universe, the less evidence there is for an external controller.

Believers sacrifice virgins to make the sun rise. We ran out of virgins in Essex a long time ago,  eppur si muove. That's science.
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #6 on: 02/04/2020 11:27:59 »
Quote from: duffyd on 02/04/2020 06:13:38
Quote from: jfoldbar on 01/04/2020 08:45:34
im by no means a scientist or even highly educated. but the last 20 odd years (since the internet) it always seems to be my hobby to learn about all things science. if i could have my life over i would have studied hard and tried to become some kind of braniac.

so in all my reading about all kinds of subjects there is always the same common underlying theme that is there if you decide to see it. that the religions of the world are just wrong.

there is so much scientific and mathematical evidence against the bible that it is just staggering that any educated (scientific) person accepts it. for a laymen i get it. the whole 'feel good' or 'someone watching down upon us' is a very sobering thought. and if you dont know any better than why not believe it. (that used to be me) but anyone that bothers to invest the time to learn about the world around us and learns a bit from each field of science(and maths) can easily see that the bible just simply does not correspond with what we observe in the world. (this is inherently different to the concept of a creator though)

so, given all the knowledge that man has now, why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book

You've listed a number of objections. Would you mind getting specific?

Francis Collins, B.S. chemistry University of Virginia 1970, Ph.D. physical chemistry, Yale University 1974. Led the National Institutes of Health for President Barack Obama. He headed the successful drive to sequence the human genome. As director of the NIH, he oversaw 27 institutes with an annual budget of more than $30 billion.

As the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute since 1993 — what some call the most prestigious job in science — Collins has led the effort to decode human DNA, along the way developing a revolutionary method of screening genes for disease. Yet according to this widely respected scientist, the newfound power to "read our own instruction book" is no obstacle to faith in the existence of God. He converted from atheism to Christianity in his twenties after seeing how radically his patients' faith transformed their experience of suffering, and after reading several works by C.S. Lewis. Some 30 years later, he stands by his convictions, positioning science not as substitute for theology, but as a subset of it. Here, Collins traces out his personal path to God, and explains how his faith affects his work.

Read his book, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief
Interesting.
Obviously I haven't met him. If I did, I'd probably be more interested in his work than his beliefs, but maybe, if there was a lull in conversation I'd ask what he actually thinks about the origin of the world.
Do you think he believes it was made 6000 years ago, or do you think he believes in science?

I guess there's some interesting information there

"Francis Collins, B.S. chemistry University of Virginia 1970,"
So, born about 1950, and now about 70 years old.
"why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book?"
Force of habit, maybe?
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #7 on: 02/04/2020 11:53:49 »
Quote from: duffyd on 02/04/2020 06:13:38
Quote from: jfoldbar on 01/04/2020 08:45:34
im by no means a scientist or even highly educated. but the last 20 odd years (since the internet) it always seems to be my hobby to learn about all things science. if i could have my life over i would have studied hard and tried to become some kind of braniac.

so in all my reading about all kinds of subjects there is always the same common underlying theme that is there if you decide to see it. that the religions of the world are just wrong.

there is so much scientific and mathematical evidence against the bible that it is just staggering that any educated (scientific) person accepts it. for a laymen i get it. the whole 'feel good' or 'someone watching down upon us' is a very sobering thought. and if you dont know any better than why not believe it. (that used to be me) but anyone that bothers to invest the time to learn about the world around us and learns a bit from each field of science(and maths) can easily see that the bible just simply does not correspond with what we observe in the world. (this is inherently different to the concept of a creator though)

so, given all the knowledge that man has now, why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book

You've listed a number of objections. Would you mind getting specific?

Francis Collins, B.S. chemistry University of Virginia 1970, Ph.D. physical chemistry, Yale University 1974. Led the National Institutes of Health for President Barack Obama. He headed the successful drive to sequence the human genome. As director of the NIH, he oversaw 27 institutes with an annual budget of more than $30 billion.

As the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute since 1993 — what some call the most prestigious job in science — Collins has led the effort to decode human DNA, along the way developing a revolutionary method of screening genes for disease. Yet according to this widely respected scientist, the newfound power to "read our own instruction book" is no obstacle to faith in the existence of God. He converted from atheism to Christianity in his twenties after seeing how radically his patients' faith transformed their experience of suffering, and after reading several works by C.S. Lewis. Some 30 years later, he stands by his convictions, positioning science not as substitute for theology, but as a subset of it. Here, Collins traces out his personal path to God, and explains how his faith affects his work.

Read his book, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief


this is exactly what im talking about. why would a man with so much education believe the bible?
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #8 on: 02/04/2020 11:57:38 »
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"Do you think he believes it was made 6000 years ago, or do you think he believes in science?"


people dont 'believe' in science. they understand it. there is no 'belief'. it just is.
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #9 on: 02/04/2020 15:27:29 »
Quote from: jfoldbar on 01/04/2020 08:45:34
im by no means a scientist or even highly educated. but the last 20 odd years (since the internet) it always seems to be my hobby to learn about all things science. if i could have my life over i would have studied hard and tried to become some kind of braniac.

so in all my reading about all kinds of subjects there is always the same common underlying theme that is there if you decide to see it. that the religions of the world are just wrong.

there is so much scientific and mathematical evidence against the bible that it is just staggering that any educated (scientific) person accepts it. for a laymen i get it. the whole 'feel good' or 'someone watching down upon us' is a very sobering thought. and if you dont know any better than why not believe it. (that used to be me) but anyone that bothers to invest the time to learn about the world around us and learns a bit from each field of science(and maths) can easily see that the bible just simply does not correspond with what we observe in the world. (this is inherently different to the concept of a creator though)

so, given all the knowledge that man has now, why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book
Harvard professor, Dr. Armand Nicholi, has written about the different and contrasting worldviews of C. S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud, which is the subject of a class he taught at Harvard for decades and also had "stand in line" sign ups for the limited available places. A PBS Series of the same name, was also produced and is available on-line.
"The Question of God Series" he taught is an acclaimed program worth your time.
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #10 on: 02/04/2020 15:38:15 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/04/2020 11:27:59
Quote from: duffyd on 02/04/2020 06:13:38
Quote from: jfoldbar on 01/04/2020 08:45:34
im by no means a scientist or even highly educated. but the last 20 odd years (since the internet) it always seems to be my hobby to learn about all things science. if i could have my life over i would have studied hard and tried to become some kind of braniac.

so in all my reading about all kinds of subjects there is always the same common underlying theme that is there if you decide to see it. that the religions of the world are just wrong.

there is so much scientific and mathematical evidence against the bible that it is just staggering that any educated (scientific) person accepts it. for a laymen i get it. the whole 'feel good' or 'someone watching down upon us' is a very sobering thought. and if you dont know any better than why not believe it. (that used to be me) but anyone that bothers to invest the time to learn about the world around us and learns a bit from each field of science(and maths) can easily see that the bible just simply does not correspond with what we observe in the world. (this is inherently different to the concept of a creator though)

so, given all the knowledge that man has now, why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book

You've listed a number of objections. Would you mind getting specific?

Francis Collins, B.S. chemistry University of Virginia 1970, Ph.D. physical chemistry, Yale University 1974. Led the National Institutes of Health for President Barack Obama. He headed the successful drive to sequence the human genome. As director of the NIH, he oversaw 27 institutes with an annual budget of more than $30 billion.

As the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute since 1993 — what some call the most prestigious job in science — Collins has led the effort to decode human DNA, along the way developing a revolutionary method of screening genes for disease. Yet according to this widely respected scientist, the newfound power to "read our own instruction book" is no obstacle to faith in the existence of God. He converted from atheism to Christianity in his twenties after seeing how radically his patients' faith transformed their experience of suffering, and after reading several works by C.S. Lewis. Some 30 years later, he stands by his convictions, positioning science not as substitute for theology, but as a subset of it. Here, Collins traces out his personal path to God, and explains how his faith affects his work.

Read his book, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief
Interesting.
Obviously I haven't met him. If I did, I'd probably be more interested in his work than his beliefs, but maybe, if there was a lull in conversation I'd ask what he actually thinks about the origin of the world.
Do you think he believes it was made 6000 years ago, or do you think he believes in science?

I guess there's some interesting information there

"Francis Collins, B.S. chemistry University of Virginia 1970,"
So, born about 1950, and now about 70 years old.
"why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book?"
Force of habit, maybe?

Become familiar with him. Take a moment to find out just what he thinks and why.
Malcolm Muggeridge is a fascinating story. An outspoken critic of religion for years, he was a popular 20th century intellectual who was transformed by Christ. “Every happening, great and small, is a parable whereby God speaks to us, and the art of life is to get the message.”
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #11 on: 02/04/2020 15:52:35 »
Quote from: jfoldbar on 01/04/2020 08:45:34
im by no means a scientist or even highly educated. but the last 20 odd years (since the internet) it always seems to be my hobby to learn about all things science. if i could have my life over i would have studied hard and tried to become some kind of braniac.

so in all my reading about all kinds of subjects there is always the same common underlying theme that is there if you decide to see it. that the religions of the world are just wrong.

there is so much scientific and mathematical evidence against the bible that it is just staggering that any educated (scientific) person accepts it. for a laymen i get it. the whole 'feel good' or 'someone watching down upon us' is a very sobering thought. and if you dont know any better than why not believe it. (that used to be me) but anyone that bothers to invest the time to learn about the world around us and learns a bit from each field of science(and maths) can easily see that the bible just simply does not correspond with what we observe in the world. (this is inherently different to the concept of a creator though)

so, given all the knowledge that man has now, why do people still consider the bible as 'more' than a story book

 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath. Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.”

 Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.”

But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

Then they turned again to the blind man, “What have you to say about him? It was your eyes he opened.”

The man replied, “He is a prophet.”

They still did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight until they sent for the man’s parents. “Is this your son?” they asked. “Is this the one you say was born blind? How is it that now he can see?”

“We know he is our son,” the parents answered, “and we know he was born blind. But how he can see now, or who opened his eyes, we don’t know. Ask him. He is of age; he will speak for himself.” His parents said this because they were afraid of the Jewish leaders, who already had decided that anyone who acknowledged that Jesus was the Messiah would be put out of the synagogue. That was why his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”

 A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God by telling the truth,” they said. “We know this man is a sinner.”

He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!”

 Then they asked him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?”

 He answered, “I have told you already and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you want to become his disciples too?”

Then they hurled insults at him and said, “You are this fellow’s disciple! We are disciples of Moses! We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don’t even know where he comes from.”

The man answered, “Now that is remarkable! You don’t know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes.  We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.  Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.”

To this they replied, “You were steeped in sin at birth; how dare you lecture us!” And they threw him out.

 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”

“Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”

Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”

I love examples of true spirituality speaking to depraved religious doctrines. The Pharisees knew Christ was a sinner because he helped someone on a holy day. Notice how they rejoiced that Christ had relieved the suffering of a crippled man!
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« Reply #12 on: 02/04/2020 16:00:39 »
 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
“Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
His experience was a wee bit different than the folks who watch a performance at a healing rally today. He had no faith. Didn't even know who healed him. Wasn't asked for financial support. Wasn't slain in the spirit and knocked down at someone's command. The entire account is more about this poor guy, who really encountered God, than promoting the "ministry" of the person who healed him.
John's gospel is a fantastic read.
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« Reply #13 on: 02/04/2020 17:01:13 »
The Bible, as generally on sale in the UK, contains a whole raft of begats and begots, and the bizarre ravings of Revelation with The Number of the Beast (I used to have a car with reg 666 - went like a bat out of hell!), apocalyptic horsemen, angels walking up mountains….   

It is entirely probable that  Moses, Aaron, David & co existed and set down the principles of the Israelite civilisation, in roughly the historic order stated. Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt? I doubt it. A fundamentalist rabbi crucified for annoying the Romans and the established clergy? Quite likely (we are an argumentative tribe). Virgin birth? It's not unique to the Judaeo-Christian mythology - indeed there have been 14  crucified saviour-gods born of virgins around the world - but it isn't believable either.

So the question is what do you mean by "believe"? Or indeed "bible"? A ragbag of texts written in various languages over some 4000 years, with bits of history, bits of statute law, various poems, raving mysticism, sex and violence, and "eyewitness" accounts by people who weren't alive at the time. There's certainly evidence that Caucasians had a single female ancestor, but none for a snake and an apple, and Eve still doesn't explain the other races on the planet. 
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Quote from: duffyd on 02/04/2020 16:00:39
John's gospel is a fantastic read.
So is the Lord of The Rings, but I'd not base my life on it.
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« Reply #15 on: 02/04/2020 18:47:03 »
It can seem like an impossible maze. How can I find God through all this crap? God, if you really do exist, show me, will ya?
Scientists live for experiments. Einstein had to wait years before his work was confirmed in 1919 through the telescopic test results during an eclipse. Time and space formed a fabric of sorts which was warped by massive objects. He turned the world on its head. He plowed through zillions of ideas/details to arrive at the simplicity of E=MC2.
This God says in effect, "Put me to the test. Seek me, not doctrines or theories or what others say. You want to know if I AM? Then, seek ME, and you will find me!"
That is what is so cool about GOD. He can be known!
 

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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #16 on: 02/04/2020 18:59:23 »
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So is the Lord of The Rings, but I'd not base my life on it.

Well, that is a bit strange. Most scholars I know surrendered their lives to The Lord of Rings!
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #17 on: 02/04/2020 19:43:56 »
Quote from: duffyd on 02/04/2020 18:47:03
That is what is so cool about GOD. He can be known!
Wrong!
An angel fell from heaven with a broken wing. A couple of lads found him and took him to their local vet who fixed the wing and fed him on ambrosia for a few weeks, then called the lads back to say goodbye.
The angel said "You've all been very kind. What can I do to repay you?"
"Just tell us what God is like"
"Well, she's black....."
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #18 on: 02/04/2020 20:42:47 »
"And when the blood of your martyr Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him."
Why? As his pals murdered Steve, Saul/Paul guarded their clothing. What? He was worried that these assassins, while stoning to death some guy, risked having their clothing stolen? They feared some idiots walking by would think, "My, what a perfect opportunity to snatch some new threads!" And, what were they doing killing somebody with their clothes off?
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Re: why would a scientist accept the bible
« Reply #19 on: 02/04/2020 21:02:35 »
BTW, does entanglement disprove C is the fastest anything can go? What did Bell prove?
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