[Petrochemicals]

From a humanitarian point, are you ok Duffy, should we contact the relevant authorities ? I mean your answering yourself.

Dear god is this still going ?

People ressurected by jesus - 0
Years of living in plague filled misery since jesus 1600
Separation of religion from law 400 years ago
People saved from malaria by jesus 0
People saved by science from malaria over 1 billion
Dont marry your sister !

1. 0 resurrected by jesus
Can you support that with credible evidence? Thanks

No.

I know no one resurrected by christ, no one i know has heard of this. Its never made the news. Promises promises and no honouring of them. I cannot prove somethingincorrect that refuses to exist.

Yea. If you don't mind. Hurry! I've got loonie tunes on here saying Christ doesn't take his own to heaven when they die. Hurry
But, not as a humanitarian type thing. See if you can find an outfit that wants a fresh cadaver. I refuse to pay somebody to throw my carcass in an expensive hole someplace. Again, you're alright dude.

What is heaven, do the people walk round on monkey legs, eating nuts, and breathing into there lungs, only the christians, only the protestants, only the lutherans, only the male lutherans from the such and such vein..........

Again, I think positivity, projection self service and emplacement, dude.

[duffyd]

From a humanitarian point, are you ok Duffy, should we contact the relevant authorities ? I mean your answering yourself.

Dear god is this still going ?

People ressurected by jesus - 0
Years of living in plague filled misery since jesus 1600
Separation of religion from law 400 years ago
People saved from malaria by jesus 0
People saved by science from malaria over 1 billion
Dont marry your sister !

1. 0 resurrected by jesus
Can you support that with credible evidence? Thanks

No.

I know no one resurrected by christ, no one i know has heard of this. Its never made the news. Promises promises and no honouring of them. I cannot prove somethingincorrect that refuses to exist.

Yea. If you don't mind. Hurry! I've got loonie tunes on here saying Christ doesn't take his own to heaven when they die. Hurry
But, not as a humanitarian type thing. See if you can find an outfit that wants a fresh cadaver. I refuse to pay somebody to throw my carcass in an expensive hole someplace. Again, you're alright dude.

What is heaven, do the people walk round on monkey legs, eating nuts, and breathing into there lungs, only the christians, only the protestants, only the lutherans, only the male lutherans from the such and such vein..........

Again, I think positivity, projection self service and emplacement, dude.

Well, look, you don't have to be all snooty about it. I'm convinced a couple Methodists, maybe an Assembly of God or two, at least 5 Nazarenes and, believe it or not Mom Teresa and one or two other Catholics may show up. Now, did you call anybody yet? I'm dying here man. Let's go!

Oh, BTW, do you want me to call anyone on your behalf? You seem a little you know a little half-cracked yourself.

Happy Fesiivus Everybody!! Now, come on Georgie and wrestle your father, Georgie, until you pin me
No Frank. Leave him alone!

[alancalverd]

Your death is around the corner and death is pretty final.

Thankfully.

[duffyd]

Your death is around the corner and death is pretty final.

Thankfully.

If you experienced His Presence for 1 minute, you would be speechless. I would to God I could find the words that would somehow encourage you just to see if He's real. To just give Him a shot. It is so simple and so profound. GOD!! Help me to help others

[Bored chemist]

To just give Him a shot. It is so simple and so profound.

And absurd.
You don't "choose" to believe something.
You can't choose to believe that I'm six foot six.
Either you believe it or you don't.

[duffyd]

It's a ramshackle collection of historical fact swimming in myth and magic, with a few good ideas for survival in a desert (Leviticus) and an urban society (Mark). A sound basis for workers' rights ("six days shalt thou labor…"  "the laborer is worthy of his hire....") and some  general commandments that underpin most criminal and civil law. But it doesn't provide any excuse for tithes, pogroms, crusades,  inquisitions, self-flagellation, paedophilia, shunning, pilgrimage...… or any evidence for the supernatural or an afterlife, and the reification of the adjectives "good" and "evil" is an insult to the human intellect.

Would you be willing to support each of your claims here?  Start with "ramshackle collection of historical fact swimming in myth and magic..." if you can. If you decide to go ahead and defend your positions, it will require a significant amount of time. One or two liners won't work.   

[duffyd]

A fundamentalist rabbi crucified for annoying the Romans and the established clergy? Quite likely (we are an argumentative tribe).

"...crucified for annoying..." That is beyond preposterous. That you make that claim proves you don't understand what took place. He was crucified because the leaders of the  most religious were fearful of him. And they hated his guts because he was a mirror. Many were drawn to him. They said to one another, what are we going to do with this punk? Crowds are getting enthusiastic. If we don't get rid of him, they probably will demand that he lead them.

He performed miracles on their very sacred holy day repeatedly and right in their faces. They condemned him for working, and ignored the reality that a human being who was hurting was relieved of suffering. They even picked up rocks to kill him on the spot, but they feared the crowds.  How far from God's heart they were! In private they began to plot how to commit first degree murder and to get away with it. They were jealous and humiliated so they became killers.

[Petrochemicals]

From a humanitarian point, are you ok Duffy, should we contact the relevant authorities ? I mean your answering yourself.

Dear god is this still going ?

People ressurected by jesus - 0
Years of living in plague filled misery since jesus 1600
Separation of religion from law 400 years ago
People saved from malaria by jesus 0
People saved by science from malaria over 1 billion
Dont marry your sister !

1. 0 resurrected by jesus
Can you support that with credible evidence? Thanks

No.

I know no one resurrected by christ, no one i know has heard of this. Its never made the news. Promises promises and no honouring of them. I cannot prove somethingincorrect that refuses to exist.

Yea. If you don't mind. Hurry! I've got loonie tunes on here saying Christ doesn't take his own to heaven when they die. Hurry
But, not as a humanitarian type thing. See if you can find an outfit that wants a fresh cadaver. I refuse to pay somebody to throw my carcass in an expensive hole someplace. Again, you're alright dude.

What is heaven, do the people walk round on monkey legs, eating nuts, and breathing into there lungs, only the christians, only the protestants, only the lutherans, only the male lutherans from the such and such vein..........

Again, I think positivity, projection self service and emplacement, dude.

Well, look, you don't have to be all snooty about it. I'm convinced a couple Methodists, maybe an Assembly of God or two, at least 5 Nazarenes and, believe it or not Mom Teresa and one or two other Catholics may show up. Now, did you call anybody yet? I'm dying here man. Let's go!

Oh, BTW, do you want me to call anyone on your behalf? You seem a little you know a little half-cracked yourself.

Happy Fesiivus Everybody!! Now, come on Georgie and wrestle your father, Georgie, until you pin me
No Frank. Leave him alone!

Well diversion  feigned misunderstanding, social distancing, frivoloty, flipancy, ad nauseum.

Call a psychiatrist, please, for me,  please do.

[alancalverd]

GOD!! Help me to help others

You would find it more effective if you were to study something useful like nursing or civil engineering, then help others without invoking a fairy who doesn't seem particularly interested in relieving human suffering.

And if you read your own reply #106 with understanding instead of pointless anger, you will see that far from disagreeing with me,  you have simply restated my summary in rather more words than necessary.

[duffyd]

GOD!! Help me to help others

You would find it more effective if you were to study something useful like nursing or civil engineering, then help others without invoking a fairy who doesn't seem particularly interested in relieving human suffering.

And if you read your own reply #106 with understanding instead of pointless anger, you will see that far from disagreeing with me,  you have simply restated my summary in rather more words than necessary.

Well, you tried. God Bless. NEXT!

[duffyd]

How did they come up with this material?
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
Can you find comparable speeches anywhere that were composed before this was written for the N.T.?

As you can see, they couldn't address good arguments. Given their level of education and intelligence, I thought they would have had a few sophisticated, powerful arguments under their belts. It's getting too easy. I enjoy a really thought provoking, stimulating, hard fought debate.

Sweet little Jesus boy,
Made you be born in a manger
Sweet little holy child,
We didn’t know who you was
Didn’t know you’d come to save us Lord
To take our sins away,
Our eyes was blind
We could not see,
We didn’t know who you were

The world treat You mean, Lord
Treat me mean too
But that's how things is down here
Look how we treated you

You done showd us how
We is a trying
Master you don showd us how,
Even when yous died
Just seem like we can’t do right
Look how we treated you,
But please sir forgive us Lord
We didn’t know who you was
Sweet little Jesus boy, born long time ago
Sweet little holy child
We didn’t know it was you

[Petrochemicals]

How did they come up with this material?
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
Can you find comparable speeches anywhere that were composed before this was written for the N.T.?

As you can see, they couldn't address good arguments. Given their level of education and intelligence, I thought they would have had a few sophisticated, powerful arguments under their belts. It's getting too easy. I enjoy a really thought provoking, stimulating, hard fought debate.

Sweet little Jesus boy,
Made you be born in a manger
Sweet little holy child,
We didn’t know who you was
Didn’t know you’d come to save us Lord
To take our sins away,
Our eyes was blind
We could not see,
We didn’t know who you were

The world treat You mean, Lord
Treat me mean too
But that's how things is down here
Look how we treated you

You done showd us how
We is a trying
Master you don showd us how,
Even when yous died
Just seem like we can’t do right
Look how we treated you,
But please sir forgive us Lord
We didn’t know who you was
Sweet little Jesus boy, born long time ago
Sweet little holy child
We didn’t know it was you

Bolloks !

https://www.leftlion.co.uk/read/2017/november/never-mind-the-bollocks-court-case-sex-pistols-nottingham/

[duffyd]

I am shocked. Stunned, really. I can barely grasp the situation. All this time I was convinced that kerosene and her multiple personalities were in love. O no. What happened babes? Did you find another? I honestly don't know if I'm gonna make it through this one. And you promised me your hearts for eternity. If you don't mind, now would be a great time to call the Mayo clinic.
Set me free why don't you babes?
Get out of my life why don't you babes?

[duffyd]

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BoredChemist

That is tragic. Kerosene, take that back.

[duffyd]

is my "knowing" that individual

the thing with jesus, (or anything else in the bible) is you dont 'know' they exist, you 'believe' they exist. they are 2 different things

I believe you exist. I don't know. Why doubt Christ lived? Why not take him at his word? What is so tough about accepting what millions have attested to throughout the past 2,000 years?

[duffyd]

That is a perfectly legitimate conclusion for you. You don't need to make any further inquiries.

true, i no longer enquire whether the bible is true or not. i accept the fact that its not. just like i accept that 1+1=2, regardless how i feel about it.
the thing that i still enquire about though is why others ignore the fact(s) and still choose the 'believe' option. do those people also choose the 'believe' option with 1+1?
what i mean is, for someone to believe the bible that means he is a basic ignorer of facts. does he also ignore other facts in his life? does he ignore the car speedo while driving, does he ignore the ingredients of a food, does he ignore his bank balance figure while shopping? this is the stuff that boggles my mind.

What are the possible answers?
1. Yes, everyone who believes the bible is accurate is a moron.
2. Those who believe it is accurate ignore facts.
A. He ignores all facts or
B. He only ignores facts as they pertain to the bible.
3.  He studies the bible and legitimately understands it is an accurate account of GOD's interaction with people .

[Petrochemicals]

That is a perfectly legitimate conclusion for you. You don't need to make any further inquiries.

true, i no longer enquire whether the bible is true or not. i accept the fact that its not. just like i accept that 1+1=2, regardless how i feel about it.
the thing that i still enquire about though is why others ignore the fact(s) and still choose the 'believe' option. do those people also choose the 'believe' option with 1+1?
what i mean is, for someone to believe the bible that means he is a basic ignorer of facts. does he also ignore other facts in his life? does he ignore the car speedo while driving, does he ignore the ingredients of a food, does he ignore his bank balance figure while shopping? this is the stuff that boggles my mind.

What are the possible answers?
1. Yes, everyone who believes the bible is accurate is a moron.
2. Those who believe it is accurate ignore facts.
A. He ignores all facts or
B. He only ignores facts as they pertain to the bible.
3.  He studies the bible and legitimately understands it is an accurate account of GOD's interaction with people .

Just out of interest, do you not find the flood of noah, and the various jewish sects who believe in "watchers", god making the earth in 7 days,  to be a eency weency little like the titans and floods of the greeks, ice giants of the norse mythology, the cyclops etc etc. Talking snakes anon.

[duffyd]

How did they come up with this material?
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
Can you find comparable speeches anywhere that were composed before this was written for the N.T.?

Funny. Nothing. Why? Because the account is so extraordinary and unique no one could conceive of the things he said and did.

Let's bear in mind, the simple-minded believe we live in the universe and in the MW galaxy and a solar system in which a thermonuclear reactor hangs in freezing cold blackness millions of miles from a blue speck where living beasts possess a flesh and blood sponge that calculates how to send tons of inanimate pieces of tin a million miles away to observe that reactor churn and burn 600,000,000 tons of hydrogen every second, yet it is inconceivable that GOD separated some water in a river

[Bored chemist]

yet it is inconceivable that GOD separated some water in a river

Not "inconceivable"- that's silly. The idea is obviously conceived by many.

Just unnecessary, and unevinced.

Why misrepresent things in that way?
Why bear false witness?

[Bored chemist]

BTW, you seem to have missed this one.

To just give Him a shot. It is so simple and so profound.

And absurd.
You don't "choose" to believe something.
You can't choose to believe that I'm six foot six.
Either you believe it or you don't.