[Bored chemist]

A group of high-powered MIT and Harvard professors were featured recently at a forum to debunk the notion that there is a conflict between science and faith.

No conflict. Just two different products, one of which actually works. But it's often easier to sell the one that doesn't., because it makes a virtue out of naïve ignorance and depends on its users not understanding it.

You refuse. I understand very little.

Fixed it for you.

[alancalverd]

You refuse. I understand.

Why do you insist on arguing when I agree with you? Were we married once?

[duffyd]

You refuse. I understand.

Why do you insist on arguing when I agree with you? Were we married once?

I was reading about how much atheists despise Christians and our GOD, all written by atheists. This one bloke was particularly enraged over God commanding Dave to do some involuntary circumcisions on grown men. Dave was thrilled to oblige his God and removed 200 foreskins instead of 100, the bare minimum, in addition to slaughtering the fellas.
I find atheists all over the place who love to hate over stuff just like this.
This cat wouldn't read my attempts to inform him that it was Old King Saul, not GOD, who directed Dave to perform that task.

[Bored chemist]

This cat wouldn't read my attempts to inform him that it was Old King Saul, not GOD, who directed Dave to perform that task.

What did God do to stop it?
What?
Oh, nothing- as usual.
Looks like He doesn't exist.

downplaying or criticizing the beauty found within GOD's character

Very beautiful character... Like to watch people die horribly.

[Jolly2]

He preached HE HIMSELF was GOD ALMIGHTY

Show one place Jesus ever said that?

Just one...

"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58).

So Jesus claims to have been around since before Abraham was born. How is that him claiming to be Almighty God himself?

"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Quote rabbi Mordechai Kraft "what is love? When you become me, when I give soo much to you that I can no longer separate between you and me and therefore I see you as a part of me, I love you, we're one"

Oh and ofcourse as you see in John 17.20 ".... may they all be one in us as you are in me and I am in you... that they may be one as we are one"

Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God

They certainly did not.

and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"?

Exodus 4.22 "Israel is my first born son I order you to let my son go"

Jesus ofcourse is a member of Israel. John 4.23 "salvation comes from the Jews"

John 3.16 "God loved the world so much he sent his son into the world."

Matthew 5.9 "happy the pacemakers for they shall be called sons of God "

Ergo all Jews are called to be gods children

Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39).

Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Exactly jesus represents God fully but to represent someone isnt to be them.

me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).

Think about it.

He's inside me. I asked Him to come in and He manifested His presence. As God, He was already in me, because He's everywhere. But, inviting Him to live in me a true relationship formed. Listen, interpret the scriptures however you choose. That's fine with me.
I see the same scriptures clearly pointing to His divinity. We can play bible ping-pong forever. You share a verse that doesn't establish He was God and I share one with you that I think does.

I asked for a verse where jesus claims it. And you have not provided one.

[duffyd]

"I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God," (John 10:30-33)

You've had your fun. I will not be rude so I will explain to you now that I will no longer answer your foolish questions. I've done this before and it is nothing personal.

[alancalverd]

This cat wouldn't read my attempts to inform him that it was Old King Saul, not GOD, who directed Dave to perform that task.

But wasn't Saul quoting God as his authority? The Divine Right of Kings is just part of the persitent filth of faith.

[Bored chemist]

I will no longer answer your foolish questions.

You don't answer any questions.
You just try to preach, then claim you have won all the arguments.

[duffyd]

interesting

[duffyd]

Every man has his price.

Prove that is true.

I quoted mine, the same as Marcelo Gleiser whom you quoted as an example, and BC, with whom I often enjoy a little light disagreement. Three random scientists all give the same figure, so it's a good working hypothesis.
The motto is good enough for the President of the USA, who applies it routinely to women he has abused - indeed it is a traditional Presidential motto. 
So how much would you demand to utter a white lie that comforts many and offends nobody?

No proof. Alan, what's gotten into you?
Oh yes, I almost forgot. You didn't provide any evidence the Nicaean Council signed anything, let alone that they were the gentlemen who wrote the N.T. And, Alan, the Reader's Digest always attributes the articles it publishes to the folks who wrote them, even after they pick very carefully which stories they will publish. And they always use editors for every story they include.  Best selling monthly journal in the world. Knew the publisher.

[duffyd]

This cat wouldn't read my attempts to inform him that it was Old King Saul, not GOD, who directed Dave to perform that task.

But wasn't Saul quoting God as his authority? The Divine Right of Kings is just part of the persitent filth of faith.

Is that what the Old Testament teaches? What does the N.T. teach? Is your faith in science 100 percent pure? Do some scientists exploit their faith in the science god? What are your beliefs, Al?
Would you like to try to explain what constitutes evidence? And why is science unable to offer a single reason proving there is no god? Sup with that? That's devastating. If science was hip, it would offer evidence to back up its claim that GOD doesn't exist, I would think.

[Colin2B]

If science was hip, it would offer evidence to back up its claim that GOD doesn't exist, I would think.

Science does not claim that any god doesn’t exist, just that there is no scientific evidence for it.
Why do you insist on misquoting all the time, that’s bad witness and denying Jesus.

Alan and BoredC have made their position clear, they do not see any evidence that a god exists.
You have made your position clear, that you believe there is a god, but you have failed to provide any scientific evidence.
Belief and emotional feelings do not provide proof of something’s existence.

[Bored chemist]

What does the N.T. teach?

It teaches that you should follow the OT.

Some so-called Christians deny this, in spite of it being the gospel truth.

Presumably that's because they know that keeping slaves  etc is wrong.

[duffyd]

You refuse. I understand.

Why do you insist on arguing when I agree with you? Were we married once?

Sorry Al. Not ignoring you. Just busy.
"His buddies also called him GOD" moi

"...citation needed, particularly as none of the current bible was written by anyone who knew him."
 
Proven Wrong. Again. 1,000 percent

Nobody "penned the NT", or ever claimed to. It's a random collection of books and letters of vague provenance, collated edited and translated at various times for the benefit of whoever paid for the work. Big Al
Wrong again. Proven. 1,000 percent

If you can prove the authors made money from their writing, do so. Of course, you cannot. Paul made and sold tents for income. If you think I enjoy reminding you are wrong constantly, you are wrong. I had been hopeful you would be able to contribute to this discussion.

I don't know how to correct you continuously without hurting your feelings.

[Bored chemist]

If you can prove the authors made money from their writing,

Since when did that even look a bit like the point?

[duffyd]

If science was hip, it would offer evidence to back up its claim that GOD doesn't exist, I would think.

Science does not claim that any god doesn’t exist, just that there is no scientific evidence for it.
Why do you insist on misquoting all the time, that’s bad witness and denying Jesus.

Alan and BoredC have made their position clear, they do not see any evidence that a god exists.

You have made your position clear, that you believe there is a god, but you have failed to provide any scientific evidence.
Belief and emotional feelings do not provide proof of something’s existence.

I don't. You exaggerate and lie.
Was Jesus a good witness?

Evangelising removed

[Bored chemist]

Was Jesus a good witness?

It does not matter.
He's not in court to testify.


That's the point you keep missing.
You keep trying to pretend that hearsay is evidence.

[Bored chemist]

Define evidence before you say I didn't provide any.

We already did.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=79132.msg599647#msg599647
And you have not produced any evidence.

[Bored chemist]

Pay attention.

LOL
You first.

[alancalverd]

Is your faith in science 100 percent pure?

Oxymoron. Science is the antithesis of faith.