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If the separation s exceeds twice the diameter d, we are in "far field" where the rate of exchange by radiation tends towards a 1/s2 law.If 0 < s < d we approach a "near field" radiative exchange that is almost independent of s. If s = 0 the exchange is conductive It's all pretty standard stuff in radiation physics and thermal engineering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_contact_conductance
Is there any experimental evidence for that?
What's the tolerance for s = 0?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/03/2022 04:30:46What's the tolerance for s = 0? For the present context, it's the point at which their molecules can exchange vibrational kinetic energy without an intermediate photon. Hence the change from T4 to T law.
Quote from: alancalverd on 31/03/2022 10:04:40Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/03/2022 04:30:46What's the tolerance for s = 0? For the present context, it's the point at which their molecules can exchange vibrational kinetic energy without an intermediate photon. Hence the change from T4 to T law. Even in a crystal lattice, exchange of kinetic energy between one atom to the other occurs as electromagnetic interaction. Nuclear interaction is rare in a standard ambient environment.
Even in a crystal lattice, exchange of kinetic energy between one atom to the other occurs as electromagnetic interaction.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/03/2022 10:40:19Even in a crystal lattice, exchange of kinetic energy between one atom to the other occurs as electromagnetic interaction.No, electrostatic.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 30/03/2022 13:49:04Is there any experimental evidence for that?Put your finger near- and then on- a block of ice.
so why make it complicated
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/03/2022 17:24:48If the separation s exceeds twice the diameter d, we are in "far field" where the rate of exchange by radiation tends towards a 1/s2 law.If 0 < s < d we approach a "near field" radiative exchange that is almost independent of s. If s = 0 the exchange is conductive It's all pretty standard stuff in radiation physics and thermal engineering.It looks like rough estimation to me.What's the tolerance for s = 0? Even when two objects are in contact, there will still be some gap between them in microscopic level.How much is the discontinuity around the transition between radiative and conductive heat transfer?Quotehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_contact_conductance
Quote from: alancalverd on 01/04/2022 10:39:39so why make it complicatedTo make it more accurate for wider range of circumstances.
As far as I can tell, that picture is wrong.
Adding nonsense doesn't improve accuracy. This is physics, not politics, philosophy or religion.
The notion of electromagnetic interactions determining heat transfer by conduction.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/04/2022 11:23:53As far as I can tell, that picture is wrong.How can we make it right? Which parts should we change, remove, or add?
Quote from: alancalverd on 02/04/2022 12:02:26The notion of electromagnetic interactions determining heat transfer by conduction.What are the fundamental interactions/forces involved in heat transfer by conduction? If it's not an electromagnetic interaction, you can choose the others: weak force, strong force, gravitation.
Are you talking about the exchange of VIRTUAL photons as the mechanism for electromagnetic forces?That's not going to help here.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 03/04/2022 04:19:55Quote from: alancalverd on 02/04/2022 12:02:26The notion of electromagnetic interactions determining heat transfer by conduction.What are the fundamental interactions/forces involved in heat transfer by conduction? If it's not an electromagnetic interaction, you can choose the others: weak force, strong force, gravitation. Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/03/2022 10:48:21Are you talking about the exchange of VIRTUAL photons as the mechanism for electromagnetic forces?That's not going to help here.