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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2022 13:38:57Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/09/2022 09:02:12You seem to have forgotten to answer the questions.I thought you are smart enough to conclude based on those considerations. Did you consider the idea that, no matter how smart I may or may not be, you didn't provide enough information.So, for the third timeQuote from: Bored chemist on 21/09/2022 19:44:29"Is there a net heat exchange between water and ice at 0 degree C?"If you think there is, which way does it go?When does it stop?
Quote from: Bored chemist on 22/09/2022 09:02:12You seem to have forgotten to answer the questions.I thought you are smart enough to conclude based on those considerations.
You seem to have forgotten to answer the questions.
"Is there a net heat exchange between water and ice at 0 degree C?"If you think there is, which way does it go?When does it stop?
All analogies break down at some points, where they don't resemble the things that they are supposed to represent anymore. Your batteries don't experience phase changes. Hence they are more like two ice blocks with the same temperature.
It would stop when both containers have the same ratio of water and ice.
Does anyone considered this to make their predictions?
If it turns out that there's a net heat transfer, it would be from higher heat content to the lower one, i. e. from water to ice.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2022 14:30:02All analogies break down at some points, where they don't resemble the things that they are supposed to represent anymore. Your batteries don't experience phase changes. Hence they are more like two ice blocks with the same temperature.I haven't specified the nature of either battery, only its potential. One could be a capacitor with a solid dielectric, the other a wet chemical cell with the same terminal voltage. That's all we know or need to know about the temperature of a body: its ability to transfer energy to or from another body. Equilibrium is equilibrium!
Water has higher heat content than ice, when they are at the same temperature and pressure.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 22/09/2022 15:15:19It would stop when both containers have the same ratio of water and ice.How would they "know" when the ratio was 50%50?The simple answer is that they can't.And that's why we know that there's no heat transfer.But we have been telling you that for 9 pages now, so I doubt you will accept it.
Are these columns in equilibrium?
How would a light beam know where to bend when going through an interface between two media?
they don't have to be 50/50.
There's a problem with anthropomorphising physical phenomena.
Did you deliberately miss the point?How does the system know what the ratios are?
Some of us prefer to be pedantic.
What is the mechanism by which the system is driven towards the same ratio?What parameter does the ratio affect?
And the problem is that you don't understand it.But, if it makes you heel happier.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 24/09/2022 13:18:28Some of us prefer to be pedantic.Fine,Answer the pedantic version of the same question.Quote from: Bored chemist on 23/09/2022 08:35:51What is the mechanism by which the system is driven towards the same ratio?What parameter does the ratio affect?
heat transfer rate in one direction will be higher than its opposite direction.
Heat transfers from a hotter body to a colder one, nothing to do with the heat content of either.If it were otherwise, you would boil every time you (70 kg of water at 37°C) swam in the sea (bazillions of tonnes at 17°C)!