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Why can Gravity Affect Matter?

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Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« on: 17/06/2020 12:10:50 »
  Gravity can affect matter because particles are Riemann Spheres, therefore are spacetime. So gravity causes spacetime to warp and this causes "spacetime" to move. Gravity is just spacetime acting on spacetime.

  Believing matter is more than spacetime, one sits with the problem of how spacetime communicates forces to it.
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #1 on: 17/06/2020 12:21:44 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/06/2020 12:10:50
Gravity can affect matter because particles are Riemann Spheres
Non sequitur.
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #2 on: 17/06/2020 13:49:43 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/06/2020 12:21:44
Non sequitur.

Do you mean it does not follow? Did you read further?
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #3 on: 17/06/2020 15:22:59 »
Please don't post your new theories in the main section of the forum.
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #4 on: 17/06/2020 21:17:47 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/06/2020 13:49:43
Quote from: Bored chemist on 17/06/2020 12:21:44
Non sequitur.

Do you mean it does not follow? Did you read further?

None of it follows.
Nor is there any evidence that any of it apart from "Gravity can affect matter " is true.
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #5 on: 18/06/2020 09:42:04 »
Believing that: you sit with the problem of how space communicates forces to matter.

I have evidence for it in my mind.
« Last Edit: 18/06/2020 09:48:21 by talanum1 »
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #6 on: 18/06/2020 10:23:23 »
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I have evidence for it in my mind.
If the only evidence is in your imagination, then it belongs in New Theories.

As a forum oriented towards science, it would need some experimental evidence to be considered a well-supported theory.
- We sometimes also discuss mainstream theories in the general boards: Things like Dark Matter, Dark Energy and Gravitons. There is strong theoretical basis that these things exist, even though we can't see them.

Let's take an example: The Schrödinger equation has already shown excellent agreement with experiments on the electron since 1926. So to be believed, you have to show that your Riemann spheres model replicates every nuance of Schrödinger's equation.
- Then you have to discover some obscure counterexample where Schrödinger fails, but your theory works.
- Once you can handle an electron, you will find that modern Quantum theory predicts experimental results quite precisely, and deals with many different types of subatomic particles; you have to overturn that, too.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation

I don't see any properties here that look like the probabilistic behaviors of subatomic particles (although the state of a qubit is sometimes described as a point on a sphere).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sphere

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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #7 on: 18/06/2020 12:00:57 »
I do not have to show a counterexample to Schrodinger's equation since it postulates point particles and the Riemann Spheres can be sufficiently small to qualify as point particles.

For the same reason I do not have to overturn Quantum theory.

My model encodes all the intrinsic quantum numbers inside the particles, in the spirit of string theory. If this is not the case then space must have a table with all the particle names and properties. This is a long list.
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #8 on: 18/06/2020 12:12:58 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 18/06/2020 09:42:04
Believing that: you sit with the problem of how space communicates forces to matter.
Yes, that's correct.
But that doesn't mean I should accept mysticism  as an "answer" to the problem.
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Re: Why can Gravity Affect Matter?
« Reply #9 on: 21/06/2020 09:28:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 17/06/2020 12:10:50
  Gravity can affect matter because particles are Riemann Spheres, therefore are spacetime. So gravity causes spacetime to warp and this causes "spacetime" to move. Gravity is just spacetime acting on spacetime.

  Believing matter is more than spacetime, one sits with the problem of how spacetime communicates forces to it.

Empty space is not empty with its vacuum polarization and quantum fluctuations.  Your mention of the Riemann sphere seems to imply that matter is possibly analogous to a holographic projection...

The fundamental forces of nature are unified in higher dimensions, depending on which theory or model one is using. M-theory requires 11 dimensions I think.

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