[Tass (OP)]

Is it possible that the ''fabric'' of space is the Higg's field and this field is likewise in electrical polarity to everyday objects ?

Newton said an object in motion will remain in motion unless an external force acts on that object !

Space quite clearly having no opposing force to the objects motion which suggests  likewise properties .

[yor_on]

Positive and negative?

Not sure what you mean?

[Tass (OP)]

Positive and negative?

Not sure what you mean?

Yes !  Positive and negative like everyday objects .

[yor_on]

The Higgs field is about symmetry breaking. It presumes all  force-carrying particles to be 'massless' with the reason for them gaining a mass being the Higgs bosons interacting with them. It also presumes that space has a energy that then allows this interaction.

" The Higgs effect occurs because nature "tends" towards the lowest energy state. The Higgs effect will happen because gauge bosons near a Higgs field will want to be in their lowest energy states, and this would break at least one symmetry."

And a gauge boson is any particle carrying a fundamental force, as a photon carrying a energy.  Fermions are the other side of that description. " In particle physics, a fermion is a particle that follows Fermi–Dirac statistics and generally has half odd integer spin 1/2, 3/2 etc. These particles obey the Pauli exclusion principle. Fermions include all quarks and leptons, as well as all composite particles made of an odd number of these, such as all baryons and many atoms and nuclei. Fermions differ from bosons, which obey Bose–Einstein statistics.

Some fermions are elementary particles, such as the electrons, and some are composite particles, such as the protons. According to the spin-statistics theorem in any reasonable relativistic quantum field theory, particles with integer spin are bosons, while particles with half-integer spin are fermions.  "

The idea differing bosons from fermions is that fermions reserve a 'place' in space whereas bosons are able to be stacked into each other infinitely (superimposed)

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_field
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the really mind blowing idea behind it is that it is a symmetry breaking. It's not a 'force' it's a symmetry break, another thing that makes it hard to assimilate.
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And one way to think of it could be that mass doesn't exist. What exist is a resistance to motion. But that doesn't explain why a particle becomes 'matter', as well as it clashes with relativity in where a constant uniform acceleration becomes a equivalence to gravity. You will have a weight, if standing on a scale, both ways .At least I think it clashes with relativity? As earths gravity then actually is a acceleration.

https://profmattstrassler.com/2012/10/15/why-the-higgs-and-gravity-are-unrelated/

heh, seems we agree.

[Kryptid]

Is it possible that the ''fabric'' of space is the Higg's field and this field is likewise in electrical polarity to everyday objects ?

The Higgs boson is electrically neutral, so no.

"Likewise in electrical polarity" is a phrase that sounds rather familiar. That combined with the unneeded exclamation points and the spelling of Higgs as "Higg's" make me suspicious that this is Thebox under a new account name.

[evan_au]

is the Higg's field ... likewise in electrical polarity to everyday objects ?

Everyday matter is composed of negative electrons and positive nuclei, which have an electrical polarity. It is this electrical field that holds together atoms and molecules into larger objects like plants and animals.

The Higgs particle is uncharged (no electrical polarity). The Higgs particle is an excitation of the underlying Higgs Field.

The Higgs Field is a scalar field: It has a non-zero strength everywhere in the universe, but not a direction.
- This is quite unlike the more familiar Electromagnetic Field, which is a vector field: it has a strength everywhere in the universe, and also a direction (sometimes drawn as magnetic field lines from North to South, or electrical field lines, from positive to negative).

In the mathematical formulation of the Higgs Field...

The Higgs Field consists of four components: Two neutral ones and two charged component fields. Both of the charged components and one of the neutral fields (give mass to) W+, W−, and Z bosons. The quantum of the remaining neutral component corresponds to ... the massive Higgs boson. This component can interact with fermions via Yukawa coupling to give them mass as well.

In my primitive understanding, this means:
- The Higgs Field does not produce a large-scale electric field in the universe, like the electromagnetic field does
- The Electrical component of the Higgs Field does produce the large observed mass of the W+, W−, and Z bosons which transfer the weak nuclear force. This large mass explained why the Weak Nuclear force has such short range.
- Prior to the Higgs Field hypothesis, calculations with the Standard Model of particle physics suggested that these W+, W−, and Z particles should be massless and have infinite range (like the photon), which was obviously false.
- It is thought that at the earliest instants of the Big Bang, the Higgs Field would have been in a different state than it is today, and the Weak Nuclear Force would have been more like the Electromagnetic Force and Gravitational Force, with massless force carriers.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson#Properties_of_the_Higgs_field
A representation of the Higgs Field "Mexican Hat" or "Champagne bottle" structure is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mecanismo_de_Higgs_PH.png

PS: For catastrophe theorists: There is no guarantee that the Higgs Field today is in its lowest possible energy state - there is a theoretical possibility that at some instant, as the universe expands, the Higgs Field could collapse to an even lower energy state, changing the physical laws of the universe, and rendering life as we know it impossible...
Oops! Crossover with Kryptid...

[Tass (OP)]

Is it possible that the ''fabric'' of space is the Higg's field and this field is likewise in electrical polarity to everyday objects ?

The Higgs boson is electrically neutral, so no.

Aren't everyday objects electrically neutral which would make everyday objects likewise in electrical polarity to a Higgs Boson ?

[evan_au]

Aren't everyday objects electrically neutral which would make everyday objects likewise in electrical polarity to a Higgs Boson ?

Everyday objects are a (pretty) equal mix of + and - charges, making them overall (pretty) neutral.

The Higgs boson is a fundamental particle made out of the neutral part of the Higgs Field. So the Higgs Particle is fundamentally neutral (as far as we know, today)...

The W+ and W− bosons obtain their mass from the charged component of the Higgs Field.

[Tass (OP)]

Aren't everyday objects electrically neutral which would make everyday objects likewise in electrical polarity to a Higgs Boson ?

Everyday objects are a (pretty) equal mix of + and - charges, making them overall (pretty) neutral.

The Higgs boson is a fundamental particle made out of the neutral part of the Higgs Field. So the Higgs Particle is fundamentally neutral (as far as we know, today)...

The W+ and W− bosons obtain their mass from the charged component of the Higgs Field.

Thank you , just one more question on this subject !  If a proportion/section of the Higgs field became ionized to either + or - , would this change the permeability of the field in respect to a bosons motion through the field ?

[yor_on]

The field is as far as I know just 'energy, as JP called it, a coin of exchange. It makes little sense to define it as positive or negative. It's a 'field' of energy permeating the universe. and a Higgs boson is a particle consisting of 'energy' too. How would you make a photon - or +. In itself it's just a 'energy quanta'. A worrying thing about a assumed Higgs field is that it is presumed to be 'meta stable'. That means that it has a false 'lowest "rest/energy" state' when compared to a real state of lowest energy in this universe. And what that implies is that with some other 'symmetry break' mass as defined by the Higgs boson just can disappear.

don't ask me what it will do the universe, I'm not sure..

[yor_on]

Heh, using it you could possibly assume that 'real state' of our universe is 'c'. Which in its turn would imply that everything we find to exist is (a) symmetry break(s) of that 'natural state'.
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I wouldn't mind that, topological explanations leaves something for me, but symmetry breaks are, well, almost like thoughts. They exist, they don't have a mass, but they produced 'physics' and all other sciences we have, as well as emotions.

[Bored chemist]

If a proportion/section of the Higgs field became ionized

Things are ionised by gaining or losing electrons. The Higgs field can't do that.

[Tass (OP)]

If a proportion/section of the Higgs field became ionized

Things are ionised by gaining or losing electrons. The Higgs field can't do that.

I am aware of that but a Higgs field would be substantially larger than an atom and the physics may not necessarily work the same on a large stage .  If the Higgs field had an equality of + and - , interior or external forces could act on the field and possible create  distortions in the Higgs field .
I will rephrase the question !

Would an ionised atom affect the Higgs field ? (Would it attract the opposite charge in a - and + HIggs field ?

[yor_on]

This is arguing for arguing's sake Tass. you can't state that a Higgs field is ' substantially larger than an atom '. It doesn't make sense. The Higgs field, assuming it exist, is the ocean in where we swim. That doesn't state that it has a defined scale or a size. It's bosons that interact, and they are the original 'point particles' only consisting of a energy. No scale to it, you can zoom in as much as you like.
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Actually this can be questioned. Some fermions can behave as bosons (cooled down). The simplest definition is that a fermion takes place (Pauli exclusion principle). But if you want to dive into it then both seems depending on circumstances.

https://phys.org/news/2020-03-quantum-copycat-bosons-fermions.html
https://www.tessab.net/what-are-bosons-in-particle-physics/

It's a really tricky question, and you have to turn your head.

[Kryptid]

If the Higgs field had an equality of + and -

It doesn't have any positive and negative charges at all.

Would it attract the opposite charge in a - and + HIggs field ?

No, because there are no charges in the Higgs field to attract.

[Tass (OP)]

If the Higgs field had an equality of + and -

It doesn't have any positive and negative charges at all.

Would it attract the opposite charge in a - and + HIggs field ?

No, because there are no charges in the Higgs field to attract.

Everyday objects are a (pretty) equal mix of + and - charges, making them overall (pretty) neutral.

The Higgs boson is a fundamental particle made out of the neutral part of the Higgs Field. So the Higgs Particle is fundamentally neutral (as far as we know, today)...

An atom shows us that neutral is a measure of - and + that equates as 0 net charge .  Evan said the HIggs particle is neutral , which is suggestive that the HIggs is also - and + .

Can you please provide reference where it says the Higgs has no charge  ?

[yor_on]

Let us first define what you mean by charge?
Solitons?

[yor_on]

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Maybe a mammalian analogy would be more enlightening. Think of a conductor as a long field of gopher holes. Every hole is an atom with it's own set of gophers. There is exactly enough room in each gopher hole for 29 gophers (copper gopher holes). And every gopher hole needs 29 gophers to keep itself maintained.

Along comes farmer Battery and he shoots a gopher on one end of the field and releases one gopher on the other end of the field. The gophers in the hole where one was shot, now need an extra gopher. However the new gopher is WAY on the other end of the field. It's much easier to steal a gopher from a nearby hole. So the gophers charge (Yup, the mystical charge) over to the other hole (atom), and steal a gopher (electron). Now that gopher hole needs a new gopher and does the same thing to another hole that's closer to the new gopher.

Rinse and repeat until you get greasy grimy...no wait wrong analogy..Until you reach the far end of the field, and the new gopher gets pulled into the nearest hole that's missing a gopher.

In the end, the new electrons (gophers) don't actually move very far, since there is always a nearby atom needing a negative charge. For an electron to actually move all the way down the field, it'd take a whole lot of gopher killing.

If you want to get really confused about it. Try figuring out the actual electron flow involved in receiving an FM radio signal.

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this guy, whose name I don't remember anymore, something with carbon I think, was excellent.
Carbonlife?

Ahh so sorry, I seem to have him mixed up with Corvidae.
Both had, or has, a gift of understanding the subject they discuss.
I hope they still are out there, just as with JP

[Kryptid]

An atom shows us that neutral is a measure of - and + that equates as 0 net charge .

Equal amounts of positive and negative charges are neutral, but not all things that are neutral necessarily contain electric charges. Something that contains no electric charges at all would also be neutral.

Evan said the HIggs particle is neutral , which is suggestive that the HIggs is also - and + .

No, no that does not suggest that at all. The Higgs boson is electrically neutral.

Can you please provide reference where it says the Higgs has no charge  ?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2018/08/higgs-boson-decay-quarks-lhc-standard-model-physics/

"The Higgs boson's decays have to follow some key rules. For instance, since the Higgs boson has no electric charge, its decay byproducts must combine to have zero electric charge as well."

[Tass (OP)]

Let us first define what you mean by charge?
Solitons?

To me , electrical  charge is useful energy generated by quantum interactions .