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If everything is made of atoms, what is life?

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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #20 on: 07/09/2020 00:24:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/09/2020 10:33:35
No.
Sneezing is a reflex and it's fairly common to try to avoid sneezing. So which way is the "will" acting- to sneeze or  not to?
There are two desires here: the desire of the body to get rid of some foreign factor, and in contrast a conscious desire to refrain from sneezing for one reason or another. The existence of two forms in parallel does not contradict the fact that the will exists in each and every parting.
And again: every movement results only from a state of imbalance, that is, a gap between the desired state and the existing state that requires movement.
If the gap between the existing state and the desired state was in unity then we would call such a state complete rest in which not only would no movement take place but also time would not exist. Because time is a feeling and it is felt just as I feel different experiences in other senses. Have you ever wondered how I feel about time?
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #21 on: 07/09/2020 08:42:28 »
Quote from: yovav on 07/09/2020 00:24:56
the fact that the will exists in each and every parting.
You just made the word meaningless.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #22 on: 07/09/2020 11:19:13 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/09/2020 08:42:28
You just made the word meaningless.
I'm curious to know how you came to that conclusion
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #23 on: 07/09/2020 11:31:39 »
So Yovav has now defined will as "whatever motivates an action" whereas others distinguish between an autonomic reflex to a stimulus and a deliberate move towards a future goal, only the latter being motivated by will.   
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #24 on: 08/09/2020 00:28:29 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 07/09/2020 11:31:39
So Yovav has now defined will as "whatever motivates an action" whereas others distinguish between an autonomic reflex to a stimulus and a deliberate move towards a future goal, only the latter being motivated by will.
Try to describe it as the white in the book and the letters. When there is no more than both. So in reality. There is the fulfillment of the will, and the will itself. And apart from both of them there is nothing else.
And actually it can tie us to what was before the big bang.
how? What is the connection?
I claim that all the will that exists was full. And therefore time, place, and motion did not exist.
Think what will happen if I take a certain desire say in the lab and I will make it fuller something capable of containing. Will he feel anything? The answer is no. It will be flooded with filling until the filling completely eliminates it.
And that is the difference between what existed before the "Big Bang" and what exists now.
In one word: the feeling.
In fact we are only one thing: feeling.
Everything we do, make an effort, get tired of, is created for one thing: to make us feel.
Feeling is everything in our lives. And according to which our happiness is measured.
When the gap between the will which is the filling and the existing which is my given situation is high I will feel suffering. And vice versa. I know this is totally an idea that goes beyond the norm, but try to think about it ...
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #25 on: 08/09/2020 04:00:17 »
Quote from: EvaH on 27/07/2020 14:29:11
Dinesh asks:

If atoms are the building blocks of everything, then what makes living beings different from non-living things? In brevity, what is life?

What do you think?
And from a slightly different angle: just because you breathe does not mean you are alive.
Alpha Romeo
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #26 on: 08/09/2020 06:46:30 »
Quote from: yovav on 08/09/2020 00:28:29
what was before the big bang.
Quote from: yovav on 08/09/2020 00:28:29
And therefore time, place, and motion did not exist.

You can't say that time did not exist before the Big Bang. Without time, the word "before" has no meaning.

Quote from: yovav on 08/09/2020 00:28:29
Think what will happen if I take a certain desire say in the lab and I will make it fuller something capable of containing. Will he feel anything? The answer is no. It will be flooded with filling until the filling completely eliminates it.

This is the kind of rambling that belongs in the "New Theories" (or maybe "That CAN'T be true!") section. I can't even make sense of it.
« Last Edit: 08/09/2020 06:49:27 by Kryptid »
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #27 on: 08/09/2020 14:59:33 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/09/2020 06:46:30
You can't say that time did not exist before the Big Bang. Without time, the word "before" has no meaning.
Energy laws do not apply before the Big Bang. And yet there is something we cannot describe due to the limitations of our current perceptual tools. In other words, if something exists there, it is unattainable for us and therefore does not exist for us.
 The experience of human beings by their cognitive and biological skills, drawing their conclusions and logic from this universe to understand reasons that have formed before them is problematic in the first place and does not allow these data to be discovered.
What happened after the big bang?
After the big bang the laws of physics began to work. When energy, matter and space began to appear, there was also room for time.
After the Big Bang, a process of billions of years began in which the Earth also formed, plants, animals and humans evolved. Does the very fact that we are products of the same phenomenon bind us to it in threads we have not yet discovered? Are the same connections that are revealed between us, a result of the same occurrence that occurred 13.8 billion years ago?
A question that has not yet been answered.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #28 on: 08/09/2020 15:19:20 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/09/2020 06:46:30
You can't say that time did not exist before the Big Bang. Without time, the word "before" has no meaning.
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/09/2020 06:46:30
This is the kind of rambling that belongs in the "New Theories" (or maybe "That CAN'T be true!") section. I can't even make sense of it.
In fact, anything that tries to predict what happened before the Big Bang is a theory only.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #29 on: 08/09/2020 16:25:59 »
Quote from: yovav on 08/09/2020 15:19:20
In fact, anything that tries to predict what happened before the Big Bang is a theory only.
No, it's a guess.
A "conjecture" or an "hypothesis" if we want to be nice about it.
A theory takes a lot more than that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory
"A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. "
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #30 on: 08/09/2020 16:56:30 »
Quote from: yovav on 08/09/2020 14:59:33
Energy laws do not apply before the Big Bang.
What makes you think that?
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #31 on: 08/09/2020 21:06:00 »
Quote from: yovav on 08/09/2020 14:59:33
Energy laws do not apply before the Big Bang.

Irrelevant. Like I said, phrases like "before", "now", "after" are meaningless without time. It's as nonsensical as asking, "what does a piece of iron smaller than an iron atom look like?"
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #32 on: 09/09/2020 00:23:37 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 08/09/2020 16:25:59
No, it's a guess.
My fatal mistake, i mean  presumption and not Inference
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #33 on: 09/09/2020 04:11:08 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/09/2020 21:06:00
rrelevant. Like I said, phrases like "before", "now", "after" are meaningless without time. It's as nonsensical as asking, "what does a piece of iron smaller than an iron atom look like?"
With all due respect, when talking before the big bang, do not talk about meaning!
Does it matter? Does it exist? Certainly. But you will not discover it in your current tools. But with the tools you will need to develop.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #34 on: 09/09/2020 04:26:06 »
Quote from: yovav on 09/09/2020 04:11:08
With all due respect, when talking before the big bang, do not talk about meaning!

If it doesn't mean anything, then you can't (by the definition of "meaning") have a sensible conversation about it.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #35 on: 11/09/2020 04:18:03 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/09/2020 10:33:35
Sneezing is a reflex and it's fairly common to try to avoid sneezing. So which way is the "will" acting- to sneeze or  not to?
Certainly it is a will. Only that the sneezing is on a physical level, and the prevention experience is on a higher level of consciousness.
The question is just which will is higher and it will be the sum of the result.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #36 on: 11/09/2020 05:58:51 »
Quote from: yovav on 11/09/2020 04:18:03
Certainly it is a will.

According to what definition of the word?
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #37 on: 12/09/2020 05:58:14 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 11/09/2020 05:58:51
Quote from: yovav on 11/09/2020 04:18:03
Certainly it is a will.

According to what definition of the word?
I understand your right question and I will try to explain.
I do not mean the dictionary definition of will which is a cognitive process in which an individual decides to perform an action.
The will I am talking about is a cluster of molecules that determine the knowledge of that creature. Determine his thoughts and actions.
for example: We leave the house. I see a dog, a cat, birds. I see flowers, trees.
But what do I actually see?
What is reflected in me so that I experience what I see in this way?
Each of them is a will. It has accumulated molecularity with its own uniqueness. And this cover, this dress I see in the form of a dog, a cat, a flower. Is just his outward expression.
And so does each of us. We too are an external expression of a more internal thing. More internal than our thoughts because our thoughts are the result of our will. (I am aware that it is difficult to digest)
I first want and only then think about how to realize the will
Therefore those molecules of will created with what one tends to call the "big bang" are the ones that need to be to change. (I can not explain everything at once).
Not by plants or animals. But rather by us. By humans, the highest level of nature.
And since we are all one system, once we correct ourselves, automatically as in a pyramid, nature will also be corrected.
The phenomena of nature that befall us are nothing but reminders that we should hurry up and take the reins.
And what is the method of this changing? What is the  paradigm through which the correction of the will, the correction of man, will be realized?
This - We have not yet discovered  ....
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #38 on: 12/09/2020 06:06:08 »
Quote from: yovav on 12/09/2020 05:58:14
I do not mean the dictionary definition of will

Then how about not using a word for something that it doesn't mean?
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #39 on: 12/09/2020 16:44:27 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 12/09/2020 06:06:08
Quote from: yovav on 12/09/2020 05:58:14
I do not mean the dictionary definition of will

Then how about not using a word for something that it doesn't mean?
Can you find a suitable word for the description I wrote down?
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