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If everything is made of atoms, what is life?

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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #40 on: 12/09/2020 19:41:19 »
Experience and memory.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #41 on: 20/09/2020 05:28:42 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 12/09/2020 19:41:19
Experience and memory.
Experience and memory?
What is our life? Not really.
Life is an emotion. Everything, every action, act we do is done to bring us to emotion.
Now the question is what is the essence of emotion.
If the emotion is of acceptance in those five senses then it is a momentary life in this world.
If the emotion is an opposite emotion from a receiver. That is, if we have made the qualities of acceptance an influence, then that emotion will be life.
But completely different.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #42 on: 20/09/2020 09:52:30 »
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By humans, the highest level of nature.
That's a bold claim. Prove it.

Some would call it specism; others hubris or chauvinism.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #43 on: 20/09/2020 11:37:43 »
Quote from: yovav on 07/09/2020 11:19:13
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/09/2020 08:42:28
You just made the word meaningless.
I'm curious to know how you came to that conclusion
If you use the word "green" to mean things that absorb red light more strongly than other colours, then it has a meaning.
If you use it to describe anything that absorbs any light at all regardless of wavelength and extent,  then the description applies to everything and the word doesn't mean anything.
Telling someone that a cat is green- using that definition- does not tell them anything about the cat.
You might just as well say that the cat is "ghnj^yj%bh"

Similarly, you have chosen to expand the meaning of the word "will" tosay that " that the will exists in each and every parting."
you have left it with no meaning.
If you say that any parting includes "will", then saying that a parting includes "will" is meaningless.

It might help if you explained what you think "parting" means.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #44 on: 20/09/2020 17:35:39 »
Quote from: yovav on 20/09/2020 05:28:42
Life is an emotion.

Um, no.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #45 on: 21/09/2020 09:41:59 »
Quote from: yovav on 12/09/2020 05:58:14
humans, the highest level of nature.

Arguably the dumbest. This year's fashionable virus has managed to spread around the world without buying a single flight ticket, and multiply several billionfold with the deliberate help of its new prey species.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #46 on: 21/09/2020 10:38:35 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 21/09/2020 09:41:59
and multiply several billionfold
I think you need at least another half a dozen zeroes there.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #47 on: 08/10/2020 14:57:54 »
Life is in the complex motion of cells, the organized molecules. It seems once a cell dies, it cannot be restarted. Some life depends directly on the sun, and wind, maybe waves and tides.

In our bodies there is a fire burning in every cell, existing in the mitochondria. But there are viruses with no fire of their own and a car engine burns fuel and runs, but is not alive. A virus is arguably not alive but a mechanism.

Living things grow, respire or transpire, reproduce, excretes waste. A great end indeed is the mind, as part of life. Animals like cats have very small minds compared to us people. The mind is more than the work of mitochondria or mere mechanisms. Some disagree.

Life is energy, and energy cannot be destroyed. Energy that does work and thinks, it can't happen by chance. Blood in motion, muscle, and the nervous system. I think there is physical life tied to soul and spirit. That is why there is no revival of the dead after a certain point.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #48 on: 10/11/2020 15:36:49 »
GOD breathed
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #49 on: 10/11/2020 15:42:02 »
spirit
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #50 on: 10/11/2020 16:43:26 »
Quote from: EvaH on 27/07/2020 14:29:11
Dinesh asks:

If atoms are the building blocks of everything, then what makes living beings different from non-living things? In brevity, what is life?

What do you think?

I would seperate between things that can decide on their own and think. Sure a stone might be from the same building blocks but in comparison to a human being a stone can't decide what to do, it is not thinking or participating in any way (maybe we also just don't understand or so on).

For me the ability to get the big picture and think about myself makes me feel alive.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #51 on: 10/11/2020 17:05:54 »
Quote from: crosseyedpeter on 10/11/2020 15:42:02
spirit
poor definition
I assume you don’t mean whiskey or brandy!
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #52 on: 13/11/2020 04:09:40 »
Quote from: EvaH on 27/07/2020 14:29:11
Dinesh asks:

If atoms are the building blocks of everything, then what makes living beings different from non-living things? In brevity, what is life?

What do you think?
Our lives are the way our senses simulate reality.
Is our reality really like that? No. Except to the extent that our senses perceive it.
Our atoms bonded together for a time of about 70 years of life.
for what?
What is the purpose of life?
As various phenomena in nature of renewal result from two or more components, so we will find that by changing those molecules of our will, the matter that existed before creation or the Big Bang, we will achieve new phenomena. And not just as you discover when you combine hydrogen and oxygen and water is created, but we will discover a new life, a new world. It could truly be called our true Independence Day
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #53 on: 13/11/2020 11:42:37 »
Quote from: strongernow on 10/11/2020 16:43:26
I would seperate between things that can decide on their own and think.
So, you don't think plants and bacteria are alive.
That's an unusual perspective.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #54 on: 13/11/2020 11:43:28 »
Quote from: yovav on 13/11/2020 04:09:40
Our atoms bonded together for a time of about 70 years of life.
Not really. They all get shuffled and many get replaced.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #55 on: 13/11/2020 11:46:00 »
Quote from: yovav on 13/11/2020 04:09:40
What is the purpose of life?
What evidence is there that life has a purpose?
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #56 on: 01/12/2020 23:57:02 »
Life is being alive. Atoms make up the things IN life. And not everything is made of atoms, e.g. thoughts, dreams, actions, etc. It's like how ink makes the words in the book. Ink doesn't make the book. It makes the content of the book.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #57 on: 02/12/2020 09:05:23 »
Quote from: axscientist on 01/12/2020 23:57:02
And not everything is made of atoms, e.g. thoughts, dreams, actions, etc. It's like how ink makes the words in the book.
Interestingly, thoughts, dreams and actions are the result of interactions between atoms  :)

Quote from: axscientist on 01/12/2020 23:57:02
Ink doesn't make the book. It makes the content of the book.
That’s true, but I would probably reserve the word content for the information or meaning the book contains.
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #58 on: 02/12/2020 11:29:17 »
Living entities have only one purpose to to reproduce and make more copies of themselves
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Re: If everything is made of atoms, what is life?
« Reply #59 on: 02/12/2020 11:46:44 »
The arrangement of the ink in space on the pages is what defines what information the book conveys.
The phrase "man bites dog" uses the same ink as "dog bites man".
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