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When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?

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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #80 on: 30/12/2020 21:09:11 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/12/2020 14:22:25
Quote from: Glenballs on 30/12/2020 14:12:26
But they have no excuse
Watch this space...

What do you mean by that
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #81 on: 30/12/2020 22:51:29 »
When a person is lying, their blink rate decreases.  Matt Hancock has the lowest blink rate of anyone I've seen on television.
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #82 on: 30/12/2020 22:59:06 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/12/2020 22:51:29
When a person is lying, their blink rate decreases.  Matt Hancock has the lowest blink rate of anyone I've seen on television.

So are you saying they won't vaccinate quickly enough to end the pandemic, I saw the bbc news conference this evening and they were very clear that this pandemic will be over shortly I believe them
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #83 on: 30/12/2020 23:21:40 »
Donald Trump also has a pathological blink rate.

Believing politicians is a very silly thing to do. To misquote  "Old Man River" (Kern/Hammerstein, 1927) "He must say sumthin' but don't know nuthin' ". At least Blow Job was honest in ducking the question on TV tonight.

Anyway a pandemic is an epidemic disease with worldwide occurrence. Vaccinating the UK population won't prevent others getting it, and only quarantine for incomers will prevent it recurring in the UK.
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #84 on: 30/12/2020 23:27:04 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/12/2020 23:21:40
Donald Trump also has a pathological blink rate.

Believing politicians is a very silly thing to do. To misquote  "Old Man River" (Kern/Hammerstein, 1927) "He must say sumthin' but don't know nuthin' ". At least Blow Job was honest in ducking the question on TV tonight.

Anyway a pandemic is an epidemic disease with worldwide occurrence. Vaccinating the UK population won't prevent others getting it, and only quarantine for incomers will prevent it recurring in the UK.

So are you saying pubs etc won't be open in February and restrictions lifted then as they were very clear at the press conference that was happening
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #85 on: 30/12/2020 23:32:07 »
I wouldn't be surprised if the pubs open in February because lots of politicians have shares in breweries, pubs are popular, and the people who die in 2021 won't be voting at the next general election.
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #86 on: 30/12/2020 23:34:50 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 30/12/2020 08:37:59
@alancalverd @Bored chemist have you seen any data on protection given by first full dose only?
About 30% according to a TV interview tonight.

But that was only the opinion of the professorial head of the Oxford vaccine lab, not an expert like Matt Hancock (PPE, Oxford; Economics, Cambridge).
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #87 on: 30/12/2020 23:40:00 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/12/2020 23:34:50
Quote from: Colin2B on 30/12/2020 08:37:59
@alancalverd @Bored chemist have you seen any data on protection given by first full dose only?
About 30% according to a TV interview tonight.

But that was only the opinion of the professorial head of the Oxford vaccine lab, not an expert like Matt Hancock (PPE, Oxford; Economics, Cambridge).
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When is do you think they will have vaccinated all the vulnerable people by end of January especially as they only need to give them 1 dose, that will surely speed the process up so quickly
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #88 on: 31/12/2020 00:09:49 »
Quote from: Glenballs on 30/12/2020 23:40:00
When is do you think they will have vaccinated all the vulnerable people by end of January especially as they only need to give them 1 dose, that will surely speed the process up so quickly

That almost certainly will not be finished by the end of January. At least not in the United States (sorry, I've been keeping a better track of that than the UK because I live here). So far as I've read, phase 1a (vaccinating frontline medical workers plus assisted care workers and residents) will mostly be finished by January, but phase 1b (vaccinating those who work in high-risk and high-importance fields like the post office and manufacturing) will still be well underway. Phase 1c, which includes teachers and IT, will probably start in February. This all assumes there aren't any issues that slow the process down. I've seen estimates that the general population will have the vaccine available some time between March and June.
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #89 on: 31/12/2020 00:22:12 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 31/12/2020 00:09:49
Quote from: Glenballs on 30/12/2020 23:40:00
When is do you think they will have vaccinated all the vulnerable people by end of January especially as they only need to give them 1 dose, that will surely speed the process up so quickly

That almost certainly will not be finished by the end of January. At least not in the United States (sorry, I've been keeping a better track of that than the UK because I live here). So far as I've read, phase 1a (vaccinating frontline medical workers plus assisted care workers and residents) will mostly be finished by January, but phase 1b (vaccinating those who work in high-risk and high-importance fields like the post office and manufacturing) will still be well underway. Phase 1c, which includes teachers and IT, will probably start in February. This all assumes there aren't any issues that slow the process down. I've seen estimates that the general population will have the vaccine available some time between March and June.

They said they will vaccinate the most vulnerable first which I think they said is 15 million people then they will lift the restrictions so do you think that will be done by end of January given what you just told me
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #90 on: 31/12/2020 08:46:02 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 30/12/2020 23:34:50
Quote from: Colin2B on 30/12/2020 08:37:59
@alancalverd @Bored chemist have you seen any data on protection given by first full dose only?
About 30% according to a TV interview tonight.
That wouldn’t give me confidence to go out without mask or social distancing.

Quote from: alancalverd on 30/12/2020 23:34:50
But that was only the opinion of the professorial head of the Oxford vaccine lab, not an expert like Matt Hancock (PPE, Oxford; Economics, Cambridge).
I don’t think the OP is interested in scientific opinion.
Gove said after Christmas so let’s go with that
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #91 on: 31/12/2020 10:05:36 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 31/12/2020 08:46:02
Gove said after Christmas
Which year?
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #92 on: 31/12/2020 11:30:50 »
It's the politician's definition of Christmas, as used in 1914.

The advantage of the OAZ vaccine is less critical storage requirements, but it needs two shots 3 months apart to reach its full effectiveness a month later, according to Prof Pollard. But who cares what a scientist says? Especially the one who invented it. We must open the pubs and pack the cinemas ASAP, because your vote counts. 
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #93 on: 31/12/2020 16:48:46 »
Quote from: Glenballs on 31/12/2020 00:22:12
They said they will vaccinate the most vulnerable first which I think they said is 15 million people then they will lift the restrictions

Do you have a source?
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #94 on: 31/12/2020 17:55:28 »
First hiccup today, only 500,000 doses are avaliable of the anticipated 4,000,000
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #95 on: 31/12/2020 19:30:52 »
 Some people may like wearing face-masks, and hope they become a societal norm. Even in the absence of CV-19.

 The masks provide valuable psychological benefits to some of us. In two respects:
 
1. We're relieved of having to keep curving our lips into an artificial smile at people we couldn't care less about;
2. We're relieved of the fear that people will look critically at our decayed and missing teeth

Thus the masks may possess therapeutic value beyond their alleged anti-viral properties.
 
Does anyone else feel the same?
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #96 on: 01/01/2021 07:20:35 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 31/12/2020 19:30:52
Some people may like wearing face-masks, and hope they become a societal norm. Even in the absence of CV-19.
In the far east they were very common even before CV19. They suffered from Sars1 and bird flu scares, but a big factor appears to be air pollution which in uk we don’t have at those levels. Even so I’m sure mask wearing will become more common.
And, as you say, some people may like wearing masks. I was always a great fan of the lone ranger and could never understand why superman got away with just taking off his glasses and changing his underpants.
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #97 on: 02/01/2021 23:49:47 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 31/12/2020 19:30:52
Some people may like wearing face-masks, and hope they become a societal norm. Even in the absence of CV-19.

 The masks provide valuable psychological benefits to some of us. In two respects:
 
1. We're relieved of having to keep curving our lips into an artificial smile at people we couldn't care less about;
2. We're relieved of the fear that people will look critically at our decayed and missing teeth

Thus the masks may possess therapeutic value beyond their alleged anti-viral properties.
 
Does anyone else feel the same?

When do you think all the shops like pubs etc in tier 4 will be back open fully even if its that you have to have a meal with a drink
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #98 on: 03/01/2021 00:04:08 »
Quote from: charles1948 on 31/12/2020 19:30:52
 The masks provide valuable psychological benefits to some of us. In two respects:

Well, it has given me an excuse to be more lazy about shaving...
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Re: When will we be able to stop wearing face coverings and stop social distancing?
« Reply #99 on: 03/01/2021 00:14:00 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/01/2021 00:04:08
Quote from: charles1948 on 31/12/2020 19:30:52
The masks provide valuable psychological benefits to some of us. In two respects:

Well, it has given me an excuse to be more lazy about shaving...

When do you think all the shops like pubs etc in tier 4 will be back open fully even if its that you have to have a meal with a drink
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