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Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 04/05/2024 00:17:50Quote from: alancalverd on 03/05/2024 17:48:56No. Tunneling is an entirely different phenomenon.Are you fine with the word leap? Different phenomena.
Quote from: alancalverd on 03/05/2024 17:48:56No. Tunneling is an entirely different phenomenon.Are you fine with the word leap?
No. Tunneling is an entirely different phenomenon.
Accelerating charges emit electromagnetic radiation.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 04/05/2024 00:14:23He postulated that some orbits are stable, hence electrons occupying them don't radiate energy.Orbiting equals acceleration. Accelerating charges emit electromagnetic radiation. So the classical model is wrong.
He postulated that some orbits are stable, hence electrons occupying them don't radiate energy.
Which phenomena are you referring to?
Quote from: alancalverd on 04/05/2024 11:15:18Accelerating charges emit electromagnetic radiation. Not necessarily. Circulating current in a ring superconductor can stay for years with no perceivable decay.
Classical electrodynamics still applies. An accelerating charge emits em radiation, by observation. Therefore any model that involves indefinitely accelerating charges that do not emit radiation, is wrong.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 08/05/2024 13:56:44Quote from: alancalverd on 04/05/2024 11:15:18Accelerating charges emit electromagnetic radiation. Not necessarily. Circulating current in a ring superconductor can stay for years with no perceivable decay.Which is why you need quantum mechanics to explain superconductivity.
Except if you put the word quantum in the title of the model, which makes unexpected results acceptable.
stable atoms do not emit em radiation in their ground state.
An orbting electron model does not predict this, so is wrong.
The observational result is that atoms do not selfdestruct by the electrons crashing into the nuclei. What more evidence do you need, beyond the existence of stuff?
The radiation can be confined in a finite space if the wave produced by one electron is cancelled out by the wave from other electrons through destructive interference.
Hydrogen only has one electron, and it doesn't spontaneously degenerate into a neutron.
But you can dissociate H2 into 2H https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/1980/05/epn19801105p9.pdf, and whilst the gas has some interesting properties, the atoms don't collapse.