[Bored chemist]

Yesterday, Donald Trump tweeted...

Yesterday, Donald Trump tweeted lied...

[alancalverd]

how well Trump is doing.

He has so far done nothing, and criticised everyone who did anything. He hasn't even taken the medicine he prescribed.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

how well Trump is doing.

He has so far done nothing, and criticised everyone who did anything. He hasn't even taken the medicine he prescribed.

That doesn't tally with your earlier admiration Alan or the figures.

[alancalverd]

Where did you discern any admiration on my part, for any politician, least of all the loathsome, bankrupt, cowardly piece of ordure currently fomenting insurrection from the White House?

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

Where did you discern any admiration on my part, for any politician, least of all the loathsome, bankrupt, cowardly piece of ordure currently fomenting insurrection from the White House?

Must just be my reading of it.

[Bored chemist]

Must just be my reading of it.

Learn to read properly.

[alancalverd]

Student: Petrochemicals

Statistics     FAIL

English       FAIL

Grace, modesty and good manners    PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

Student: Petrochemicals

Statistics     FAIL

English       FAIL

Grace, modesty and good manners    PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL

Well I thank god I'm the incumbent, but you do favour trump .

[Bored chemist]

but you do favour trump .

What a stupid thing to say.

[alancalverd]

Well I thank god I'm the incumbent, but you do favour trump .

If you do not retract this disgusting allegation immediately I will seek to have you banned from the forum.

[Petrochemicals (OP)]

There being no treatment for what is pretty much the same disease affecting pretty much the same demographic, (a) what is your definition of "mortality rate" and (b) which source of data are you using to calculate it?

Mortality rate, those who have been listed as passing in relation to corona in statistics provided by the government.

I.e. nothing to do with science. The UK government has decreed that a COVID death is one that occurs within 28 days of a positive diagnosis. So if you live 5 or 6 weeks, you don't count.

It's the way it reads Alan, you seem to be saying, based on your posts that even though the USA  has a lower mortality rate as in the official statistics, the UK government is jigging the figures to make us appear somewhat on par, where in actual fact trumps statistics are far far better.

Student: Petrochemicals

Statistics     FAIL

English       FAIL

Grace, modesty and good manners    PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL

I best be careful in regards to your threat, after all you are sooooooo civilyourself. 😉

[Bored chemist]

where in actual fact trumps statistics are far far better.

The countries have pretty much the same deaths per million US 1074 vs UK 1096.

If you think that 1074 is "far far better" than 1096 then it looks like we can add Maths to your list of fails.

It's the way it reads Alan

Only to you.

you seem to be saying,

Again, it only seems that way to you.

[Kryptid]

In regards to the thread title, this is the resource I prefer to use: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

[acsinuk]

Stop this rhetoric and concentrate on the problem. We need urgent action and I have just heard some stupid nonsense about  retired doctors and nurse volunteers being asked to undergo retraining to allow them to inject patients.
This is a national emergency, forget H&S requirements and get on with the job of vaccinating everyone now; before the next mutation arrives..

[alancalverd]

Far from nonsense, alas.

Essential Continuing Professional Development now includes Risk Assessment, Fire Training and Equality and Diversity Training. I've just done the last of these in order to volunteer as a research project assessor, and you will be pleased to know that, should you have the temerity to submit a research project to the NHS, I would not discriminate against you on grounds of physical disability, use patronising (though they didn't mention matronising) diminutives, or assume anything about your preferred gender.

So you may be assured that, when you turn up for your vaccination, nobody will assume that you want the jab in your left arm, or even that you have a left arm, nor will they address you as "mate" or "love". There was nothing in the course or exam about science or medicine, so you might get a shot of hydroxychloroquinone from a blunt needle, but it will be done with the utmost respect for your dignity and autonomy.

[Bored chemist]

forget H&S requirements

So, you want people to die...

Why is that?

some stupid nonsense about  retired doctors and nurse volunteers being asked to undergo retraining to allow them to inject patients.

Why is it nonsense?

Are you aware that medical staff get continuous training, and that it might have changed since they last did it?

[alancalverd]

Yes, but....two recently retired GP friends have questioned the need for Fire Safety training, and both claim to remember how to inject vaccines, having done it several times a week for 40 years or so.

[Bored chemist]

two recently retired GP friends have questioned the need for Fire Safety training,

I presume you were able to answer them, and explain that, since they will be "in charge" of a large group of people (many of whom will be infirm)- and probably for some time to come, they need to be able to look after them.
It's not worth making much fuss about a delay of a few hours while someone reminds them which end of a syringe is the pointy one, and points out where the fire exits are.

The interesting question is "why wasn't this training offered, say, a month ago?"
It was pretty obvious that they were going to need to get a lot of vaccinators from somewhere.
Except, it appears that nothing is obvious to Boris; he's an idiot. He should never have been elected.

[alancalverd]

No, they won't be in charge of anyone for more than a few minutes. The patients are registered with their own GPs and appropriate hospital departments. The job is to stick the pointy bit into the target area and squeeze the other end, and the fire exits are all clearly marked FIRE EXIT. Revision of anaphylaxis and resuscitation might have been useful.

Poor old Boris. He was elected only to represent the good people of Uxbridge and South Ruislip, whose principal concerns are house prices, leaves on the Metropolitan line, and aircraft noise. He has almost completely resolved the latter problem as airlines go bust every day, and house prices in the suburbs are holding up as folk flee the city. Two out of three ain't bad. Unfortunately he was then selected for a job way beyond his competence and limited understanding of facts. Problem is that, surrounded by Teflon-coated liars and weasels with shares in breweries, retail shops and suchlike, he can't make the blame stick to anyone else when he encourages Joe Public to get infected for the greater glory of The Economy. If he were seen to listen to scientists and doctors, the whole business of politics would be called into question and there would be nowhere for  unemployable PPE graduates to go in future.

[Bored chemist]

Poor old Boris.

He could have declined both roles

He was elected only to represent the good people of Uxbridge and South Ruislip

Really?
I saw stacks of stuff about his campaign for that vote; but it all seemed to be focussed on a lie about "Getting Brexit done"- which he hasn't and an "oven ready deal"- which was impossible.
I didn't see a word about house prices in Ruislip.

It's as if he didn't give a flying one about his constituents- which may be only fair since they were not interested in him and would vote for a donkey wearing a blue rosette (some say they did) - and was only focussed on the job he was seeking to keep- as Prime minister.
That's the role to which he was elected by fewer than 100,000 people (not a bad trick, in a country of near 70 million).

The job is to stick the pointy bit into the target area and squeeze the other end

A bus driver's job is to drive the bus; but I still wan to know that they get fire/ fist aid training.