[Jolly2 (OP)]

"Our factory is built on land that was once use by an endangered species of Lizard, but we're carbon natural"

"Part of production  process releases mercury into the water table, but were carbon neutral"

"The fracking operation is massively increasing local pollution, but we're carbon neutral"

"We chopped down half the forest but thanks to the new carbon offset scheme we're carbon neutral"

"We dump our effluent into the river to save money, but we're carbon natural"


What is wrong with this picture?

[Bored chemist]

What is wrong with this picture?

Your failure to understand that it's better than
"Our factory is built on land that was once use by an endangered species of Lizard, AND WE AREN'T carbon natural".
etc

[Jolly2 (OP)]

What is wrong with this picture?

Your failure to understand that it's better than
"Our factory is built on land that was once use by an endangered species of Lizard, AND WE AREN'T carbon natural".
etc

So factories can destroy all natural habitats as long as they are carbon neutral?
Factories can continue to pollute rivers as long as they are carbon neutral?

What does carbon natural Achieve if the entire natural environment is still destroyed?

Still mass extinctions. Still bad air, still massive amounts of pollution, still the loss of rain forest.

You dont address the actual issue. Or the main point of the thread,  carbon neutrality is meaningless without greater reform to production practices

[Bored chemist]

So factories can destroy all natural habitats as long as they are carbon neutral?
Factories can continue to pollute rivers as long as they are carbon neutral?

When you realise that my earlier reply made it clear that the answer to those was "no" and "no" you might be able to make progress.

[alancalverd]

All living things degrade their environment. Get used to it.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

All living things degrade their environment. Get used to it.

Really worms degrade their environment?

[Bored chemist]

All living things degrade their environment. Get used to it.

Really worms degrade their environment?

Yes, really.
They remove food from it an leave it full of excreta.
How could any living thing fail to do this?

[alancalverd]

Reminds me of an evening cricket match. Everyone spontaneously froze in position and stopped talking whilst a mole walked across the Sacred Turf. Once he reached the long grass, people started moving again and he disappeared downwards in a few seconds. The umpire said "you really have to be British to know the rules".

[Jolly2 (OP)]

All living things degrade their environment. Get used to it.

Really worms degrade their environment?

Yes, really.
They remove food from it an leave it full of excreta.
How could any living thing fail to do this?

Which plants use as food.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Reminds me of an evening cricket match. Everyone spontaneously froze in position and stopped talking whilst a mole walked across the Sacred Turf. Once he reached the long grass, people started moving again and he disappeared downwards in a few seconds. The umpire said "you really have to be British to know the rules".

The green being traditional production techniques,  and the mole being the suggestion they are the problem.

Let's hope the idea goes away. Umm

[alancalverd]

But seriously, chaps, I'm nagged about once a week by my electricity suppliers telling me that I can save the planet by letting them fit a "smart meter" that tells me that I am using electricity. Why? I can see if the light/cooker/television is on, and if I were blind I wouldn't be able to read the smart meter anyway. 90% of the stuff works when I want it to, not when the wind blows or whatever green alternative there may be,  and the other 10% (heating pump, refrigerator) responds to matters entirely outside my control (i.e. the weather).

If I'm welding, drilling, or dismembering my victim with a chainsaw, I need to keep my eyes on the job, not watch their cash register ticking over.   

It's just one more thing to go wrong, surely? 

[Jolly2 (OP)]

But seriously, chaps, I'm nagged about once a week by my electricity suppliers telling me that I can save the planet by letting them fit a "smart meter" that tells me that I am using electricity. Why? I can see if the light/cooker/television is on, and if I were blind I wouldn't be able to read the smart meter anyway. 90% of the stuff works when I want it to, not when the wind blows or whatever green alternative there may be,  and the other 10% (heating pump, refrigerator) responds to matters entirely outside my control (i.e. the weather).

If I'm welding, drilling, or dismembering my victim with a chainsaw, I need to keep my eyes on the job, not watch their cash register ticking over.   

It's just one more thing to go wrong, surely?

Smart meters are just about increasing your electricity costs, it's about profits sold as a green solution, it's more green wash for profit.

Energy production isnt as much an issue in my opinion as product production,  it's plastics, mining,  fracking, animal farming, clothing among others, its that each of these production methods leads to massive amounts of pollution,  farm run off leading to contamination in the water supply as does fracking, stripe mining that completely destroys entire landscapes, dyes in clothes entering the water supply.

In each of these cases there are more environmental means to produce, but producers refuse to pay the costs involved, they are so tight fisted they will literally destroy jobs in the west to pay peanuts to people in Asia.

The issue is greed, which is harming the planet and workers