[Bored chemist]

hm your ignorance sounds familiar [1] but

You seem to have been unable to answer the question you cited.

And this is still bollocks; no matter how you dress it up.

maybe in natural CBD there is some extra spin of electrons

So is the rest of your post.

If you were actually correct, you could provide evidence.
But you can't.
So you use lots of long words.
Hard luck; that approach won't work on a science page.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Bored chemist we went extra offtopic, I said that is mine opinion, You probably read that maybe as argument, tho Please provide comparative examples how is measured the elecron spin in natural and artificial CBD and whether there was discrepancy so we would exclude mine assumption!

stop going in circles on this natural vs artificial CBD, the point of this thread is CBD as T-Cell booster, so for now this is irrelevant and it should leaved to engaged scientists in the studies, so focus on the prime question why if studies undoubtedly points that CBD is immunity booster why now is not free prescription at least for the risk categories of citizens, tho it should be free for all if indeed this pandemics is so deadly, why only vaccination is free!?

[Bored chemist]

There are two related problems there.
Firstly the false assumption of equivalence between your "opinion" and my scientific evidence. (With a side-order of your not understanding the burden of proof)
Secondly the idea that facts don't matter.
You are proposing that the government spends a lot of money- on the basis of no actual evidence.

Did you think those views would go down well on a science site?

If you have any actual evidence that CBD is helpful in treatment or prevention of covid, I'm sure we would all like to see it.

Posting bollocks about electron spin- even though you plainly haven't a clue about it- doesn't help anyone, does it?

[Osogovo (OP)]

how so boosting of T-Cells in immunity has nothing to do with covid-19? did You read the studies? tho why there are not enough studies that is other thing, but if experimental vaccine technology can be accepted with ease why then not to be free prescription mids pandemics an proved booster of T-Cells as is CBD that is clearly evident from the studies in the proposed link!?

my opinion tho about the natural CBD could lift the ban on Marijuana Legalization but for that I acknowledge there is need of comparative studies, as I pointed maybe in question is electron spinn as premise not per'se some strange spinn of electrons, You are obviously willing to derail this discussion in petty excuses why CBD not need to be free, maybe next will be my forum name!?

[Bored chemist]

t if experimental vaccine technology can be accepted

It wasn't.

[Bored chemist]

You are obviously willing to derail this discussion in petty excuses why CBD not need to be free

This is not a "petty excuse".

You are proposing that the government spends a lot of money- on the basis of no actual evidence.

And you need to address it before anyone will take you seriously.

[Bored chemist]

my opinion tho about the natural CBD could lift the ban on Marijuana Legalization but for that I acknowledge there is need of comparative studies

Just to make it clear how unrelated those are.
I support the legalisation of cannabis in any form, including refined THC, for medical and also recreational use ( if anyone wants to argue about that, please start another  thread).

I do not support the unevinced "use" of CBD (or anything else) at the tax payers' expense for treating covid.

The two ideas are completely unrelated.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@Bored chemist You know once there was Million Marijuana March in the world in London too [1][1][1] but now there should be Billion Marijuana March in whole world [1][1][1] so noone need to take "me" serious, but after such stunt governments will take their citizens serious!

in Macedonia example we are even poorer so the state cant indulge in free CBD prescription for all, but can allow at least rural legalization for all, tho we are lacking protest momentum, not that there wasnt will eg. jay~days parties were regular for few years from 2008 but when we should had have MMM march in 2010 the event wanted to be hijacked by the secret service so the organizers give up, thus after that only medic debate popped up but without will for real pressure for real change ...

[Bored chemist]

Why are you mixing up two different things?
CBD is not THC.


Anyway why would anyone spend money on an idea that won't work (or, at least, where there is no evidence that it will work)?

Don't you think it would be better to spend a lot less money on finding out whether it works or not?

[Osogovo (OP)]

Why are you mixing up two different things?
CBD is not THC.

what do You mean I mix them, CBD is more present in Cannabis Sativa and THC in Cannabis Indica variety of "Marijuana", tho as I am aware also THC has role as endocanabinoid in the lymph system just not sure is it at all close to CBD ...

[Bored chemist]

CBD might have an effect on covid via boosting T cells.
The people in the Million Marijuana March were not talking about CBD, they were interested in getting high.

But you seem to think it's the same thing.
Medical use of cannabis isn't usually related to CBD.
It is not.
CBD is not THC

[Osogovo (OP)]

CBD and THC are both present in same time in Cannabis, I pointed which variety has more from what ...

Hm, if I want to immunize myself because I dont have money for corporate cbd patch, then how else I can do that except planting my own herb? Marijuana alone because this immunity glitch should be legalized at least as rural momentum i.e. all interested in such self healing patch as m~smoothy to be allowed to have such option if relocate on country ...

... like that as rural legalization will be avoided also the risk of city temptation for the Youth, on top it could be useful way for local rural selfsufficiency if is allowed only to small farmers to sell pot for recreational users what would be managed through middle man as some state body so there would be guaranteed control of quality and price as for phytopharmaceutical cbd so as recreational pot ...

[Bored chemist]

As I said, I don't have a problem with cannabis being legal, but there's a very obvious problem with your idea.

If you don't separate the CBD from the THC, then you can't use one as an (alleged, but unevinced) immune stimulant, and drive.
You can't use dope and hold down a responsible job.
So the idea of using CBD is not related to the legalisation of cannabis.

Different drugs; different rules.

Why don't you see that?

[Osogovo (OP)]

I dont get how Health could be weighed with any risk of recreational use, the side effects of any misuse while driving or working should be treated as alcohol intoxication nowadays, but having opportunity to have own immunization plant especially if I am poor its beyond any risk of getting high along while drinking my CBD smoothy that for sure would have thc but not in amount to be any danger to the health ...

... I mean if the state has power to redistribute it freely on persription as phytotherapy I dont mind let it be only state asset but like now only corporate one that should be just temptation for all that cant afford it thus risking illegaly planting cannabis its more than stupid its simply wrong ...

... People Should Wake Up and Make Stance On This Matter but how if they only wait on the corrupt state, they should push for healthy reforms through constant open debate among scientists and asking for mass'evaluation of all the benefits and risks, waiting on state that do it by itself its mirage if we know how biased is in corporate interests [1]

[Bored chemist]

the side effects of any misuse while driving or working should be treated as alcohol intoxication nowadays

Yes; that means banning driving while intoxicated.
And that means you can't really use cannabis.
But you can use CBD.

But the answer to your question
"why CBD is not free distributed mids pandemics?"
is still because it would be a waste of taxpayers' money.

Don't you agree that it would be better to spend less money finding out if it actually works?

[Osogovo (OP)]

hm, those that are not wiiling to vaccinate or those that cant get in row, why they not need alternative, if CBD is T-Cell booster and that is quickly weighed, then I dont see why the state on behalf of the health of its citizens mids any pandemics further not just this one couldnt make effort to deliver free CBD to all, if it wants it could raise own production or have it in stockpile ... 

anyway they could pour billions in vaccines studies and they cant at least 100 millions in CBD studies and control groups, why? simply they dont care its more convenient for the authorities to flirt with the big'pharma or to be on their payroll, this would be the main reason why are not allowing such healing plant to be at hand to all, thus CBD will stay corporate asset until masses dont wake up and push for at least rural legalization for all that want to have own natural CBD ...
 

[evan_au]

You'll know I am for (marijuana) leaf smoothy

There were a couple in Australia who operated a franchise selling cheesecakes.
- Unknown to them, their son whipped up a marijuana cheesecake for a party he was attending
- Which the parents accidentally sold, to unsuspecting members of the public
- Who then got rather ill....
- Needless to say, it did not turn out well for anyone involved!

Please compare any other T-Cell booster

The approved COVID-19 vaccines have been now rolled out to millions of people world-wide.
- These have been proven to boost T-Cells monitoring specifically for SARS-COV2 infection (unlike a "generalised" T-Cell Booster, which is likely to escalate auto-immune diseases, too)
- The incidence of severe side-effects during vaccination has been something like 3 per million vaccinated

So I put it to you that the approved COVID vaccines are provably more effective as T-Cell boosters than any marijuana product, and far safer, too.

[Osogovo (OP)]

@evan_au look they say also fracking is beneficial but in the end is becoming disaster dont take everything for granted [1] I am not saying m'rna vaccines will not have immunization effect, or any other vaccine, but eg. for me the risks are way greater than boosting my immunity with natural CBD, this should be choice not indoctrination that we must take the vaccines or we risk to drop dead and/or unemployed, with mortality rate of ~2% of this virus dont see why I need to experiment with any not just m'rna vaccine, it would be logical approach for all terminally ill or those that are fearless around transhumanistic approach in this case with m'rna vaccines for artificial cell editing [1]

freedom of choice and right to life should be norm ... eg. I am naturalist so I want to have natural immunization option, this is simply bioethical concern and its mine right as human, why should I bow in front of artificial patches!?

anyway Please open new vaccine risks thread we could argue there on this matter, otherwise we will derail the CBD discussion here, simply is word for choice and if the state cant provide me free natural CBD mids pandemic crisis then it should lift the ban for personal plants and indirect immunization through use of CBD like homegrown phytotherapy ...

[Bored chemist]

You keep failing to answer the obvious question.
Why should the government spend taxpayers' money on something which probably will not work and, even if it does, it will not work as well as the vaccine and even if it did then , unlike the vaccine, you would have to keep giving it continuously?

Would it not be better to spend it on something which they know will work?

And this still has nothing to do with legalising pot.

[Osogovo (OP)]

You keep failing to answer the obvious question.
Why should the government spend taxpayers' money on something which probably will not work

howdie my friend, guessing is wrong, but control groups will resolve the hype! hope just the push~pull will be in time ...

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/940265 ~ How Cannabis-Based Therapeutics Could Help Fight COVID Inflammation

Legalization would mean freedom for selftherapy for the poor as regular boosting of the immunity, where to find as poor money for their corporate CBD? have in mind that legalization will give also big blow to the black market and its influx of skunk and higher risks from thc-bombs like now, why People not to have right on Natural Healing Sativa and even Smiling with notion that they also drink healing smoothy!?