[Bored chemist]

Wouldn't it seem logical that life originates from the Sun?

No.
Also, it seems you don't know what a theory is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

Wouldn't one of the first things to test be whether Earth life is bound to a region around the Sun?

No.
Because there's no mechanism by which it could be.
(And, of course, we know,by experiment, that neutrinos don't affect people.)

I simply cannot understand ...

That seems to be an item on a long list.

[Kryptid]

Wouldn't it seem logical that life originates from the Sun?

In the sense that it supplies light for photosynthesis and warmth to keep water liquid on Earth, yes.

What would be the basis for the idea that it started randomly at some point in time and was passed on like a fire?

We don't know that it did happen "randomly".

Wouldn't it be one of the first things to test whether Earth life is bound to a region around the Sun?

Scientists would need to have a good incentive to believe that in order to have motivation to test it. Based on what we currently know about physics and biology, there is absolutely no reason that a human on a suitably climate-controlled, radiation-hardened spacecraft couldn't survive in interplanetary (or interstellar) space.

[cleanair (OP)]

Wouldn't one of the first things to test be whether Earth life is bound to a region around the Sun?

No.
Because there's no mechanism by which it could be.
(And, of course, we know,by experiment, that neutrinos don't affect people.)

In the Neutrino-biological cell theory of consciousness/life, Neutrinos (from the Sun) would be the origin of life.

Neutrinos would interact with the weak force. Weak force interaction was measured for the first time in 2018 between protons and neutrons. Today's technology is not yet capable of measuring 'weak force' based interaction at the level of Neutrinos.

(2018) Physicists measure ‘weak force’ inside atoms for first time
https://www.futurity.org/weak-force-atoms-physics-1956822/

(2015) Neutrino-biological cell theory of consciousness

Surprisingly, weak force decoherence times over cellular distances are of the relevant dynamical timescale needed, suggesting that if any force is associated with the global properties in and between neurons (such as consciousness) it is the weak force. This finding concurs with a twenty year old theory that argues for a fundamental link between the weak force, electron neutrino and the biological cell. That theory also predicted the mass of the electron neutrino that is soon to be verified. The consequences for biology and future consciousness theories, of this radical change of paradigm, are considered.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f8f7/977fed4fc4f3663634bf3f2185f478b60cae.pdf


In general: why would one assume that the Sun is not the giver of life, and that life is something independent of the Solar system?



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It seems crazy that no insect or bacteria as of today, went farther than the Moon.

[Kryptid]

In the Neutrino-biological cell theory of consciousness/life, Neutrinos (from the Sun) would be the origin of life.

Which, as I have pointed out multiple times, has absolutely no evidence supporting it whatsoever.

Neutrinos would interact with the weak force. Weak force interaction was measured for the first time in 2018 between protons and neutrons. Today's technology is not yet capable of measuring 'weak force' based interaction at the level of Neutrinos.

Which goes to show just how unlikely it is that it has any involvement with living systems.

In general: why would one assume that the Sun is not the giver of life, and that life is something independent of the Solar system?

No evidence, that's why.

[cleanair (OP)]

In general: why would one assume that the Sun is not the giver of life, and that life is something independent of the Solar system?

No evidence, that's why.

Is the evidence for the origin of life? If not, then one is to make an assumption.

From that perspective it is plausible (perhaps aught to be natural) to question whether it would be valid to assume that life is something independent from the Solar system.

Is there at least one clue that life is independent from the Solar system?

If not, would it not be logical that life most likely originates from the Sun when the origin would need to lay within the Solar system?

[Kryptid]

Is the evidence for the origin of life?

What evidence?

From that perspective it is plausible to question why it would be valid to assume that life is something independent from the Solar system?

Because nothing we know about biology would prevent life from leaving the Solar System. It's rather akin to going back half a million years and then asking why it would be valid to assume that humans can leave Africa.

Is there at least one clue that life is independent from the Solar system?

Yes: pretty much all of modern biology.

If not, would it not be logical that life most likely originates from the Sun when the origin would need to lay within the Solar system?

No. The answer to a question does not change simply because it is asked over and over again.

[Bored chemist]

Is there at least one clue that life is independent from the Solar system?

It's hard to say, because it depends what you mean.
Most life certainly depends on the Sun's heat and light.
But that's not the same as saying that other heat and light sources- notably other stars- wouldn't work.


But there are strong clues that it is independent of neutrinos.

[cleanair (OP)]

Thank you for the valuable replies. This is a very nice forum because of your dedicated and insightful replies!

Conclusion: the farthest that even a 🦠 bacteria has traveled (as part of a test) is around the 🌒 Moon.

[Bored chemist]

Conclusion: the farthest that even a 🦠 bacteria has traveled (as part of a test) is around the 🌒 Moon.

No.

I think there are tortoises that are near 200 years old. About 6 billion seconds

The speed of the Sun through space is about 200 km/s
So that tortoise has travelled about 1.2E 15 metres

[Eternal Student]

Hi all.

  To Cleanair:    Even if life originated from the sun and had something to do with neutrinos (which seems unlikely), I think the main point people are trying to make is that it doesn't seem to need a steady stream of neutrinos any longer.

   Mammals evolved from the oceans but land based mammals do not need to live and breath in the water any longer (it would kill them if they tried).   There is little reason to think that neutrinos (or the lack of these) will be a problem on Mars, we don't seem to need them for anything now.

[Kryptid]

No.

Given context, I'm pretty sure what they are talking about is how far away from the Sun life has travelled. In that case, there are probably some deep Solar System probes with a few microbes clinging to them (assuming they survived that long).

[Bored chemist]

Given context

The context here is that the OP doesn't even know what question they are asking.

[cleanair (OP)]

Hi all.

  To Cleanair:    Even if life originated from the sun and had something to do with neutrinos (which seems unlikely), I think the main point people are trying to make is that it doesn't seem to need a steady stream of neutrinos any longer.

   Mammals evolved from the oceans but land based mammals do not need to live and breath in the water any longer (it would kill them if they tried).   There is little reason to think that neutrinos (or the lack of these) will be a problem on Mars, we don't seem to need them for anything now.

Do you believe that life started at some point in time and has been passed on like a fire?

In the case that it isn't, then Neutrinos (as in the Neutrino-biological cell theory of mind) may be an 'actual' origin of life.

[cleanair (OP)]

No.

Given context, I'm pretty sure what they are talking about is how far away from the Sun life has travelled. In that case, there are probably some deep Solar System probes with a few microbes clinging to them (assuming they survived that long).

The answer to the question of the OP has been that there has been no official test with Earth life (bacteria, insects or animals) with a distance from Earth further than the Moon.

The argument that Earth itself travels through space wouldn't be relevant since the consideration as basis for the question of the OP is that Earth life may be bound to a region around the Sun.