[Just thinking (OP)]

I have a theory of why the universe is expanding. Just about all the objects that have been viewed in the visible universe have the signature of the redshift this is the only way that science has to verify the ever expanding and accelerating depths of its age. There have been many theories regarding why and the latest reason proposed is the existence of dark matter. Well, I have another possible course for this apparent expansion. As we know all planetary bodies are rotating all of the moons are rotating even the sun is turning before us. This phenomenon is taking place throughout our galaxy even the galaxy its self is rotating. This obvious motion can be seen throughout the entire universe by the spiral arms of our neighboring galaxies that are saying look at me spin. So I have visualized this rotating motion not only as it is within the boundary of the universe but I propose that the universe its self is rotating generating the necessary centrifugal force that may be expanding our horizon. It is believed that the distant galaxies are traveling faster and faster as they progress to the distant depths of what can be seen and this fact is well in line with the forces that apply with centrifugal force as the further out objects are accelerated faster to the outer sphere. I welcome debate to this theory that I propose. A rotating universe.

[Halc]

I have a theory of why the universe is expanding.

The topic was moved because it was not a question about accepted science, but rather, well, a new idea.
That said, welcome to TNS!

the ever expanding and accelerating depths of its age.

It is not ever-accelerating. The onset of acceleration is relatively recent and the majority of the history of the universe has had sufficient energy density for a deceleration of the expansion rate. A linear expansion rate of 1/T would be no acceleration or deceleration at all, but the curve is not linear. Fairly close, but no cigar.

As we know all planetary bodies are rotating all of the moons are rotating even the sun is turning before us. This phenomenon is taking place throughout our galaxy even the galaxy its self is rotating. This obvious motion can be seen throughout the entire universe by the spiral arms of our neighboring galaxies that are saying look at me spin.

This is expected. It would be an incredible coincidence for any object to happen to have exactly zero angular momentum, so pretty much everything rotates. I cannot think of an exception. But at the larger scales, the net angular momentum per mass goes down since all the objects rotate in random directions and tend to cancel each other out if added together.  Superclusters have barely noticeable angular momentum to the point that I would not be able to say which way any of them turns.

So I have visualized this rotating motion not only as it is within the boundary of the universe but I propose that the universe its self is rotating

Finite angular speed of an infinitely spread out mass would result in faster than light motion of most of that mass. This cannot be, therefore the only way the universe could be rotating is if it was a finite thing, which contradicts the cosmological principle upon which most models rest.

generating the necessary centrifugal force that may be expanding our horizon.

That would be expansion expressed as motion through space, which has different obervables than does the metric expansion of space. This would thus contradict empirical observations. There would be an obvious center of the universe if it rotated about a preferred location. The expansion for one would all be in two dimensions and not at all on the axis of rotation. This is not what we see.

[Just thinking (OP)]

I have a theory of why the universe is expanding.

The topic was moved because it was not a question about accepted science, but rather, well, a new idea.
That said, welcome to TNS!

the ever expanding and accelerating depths of its age.

It is not ever-accelerating. The onset of acceleration is relatively recent and the majority of the history of the universe has had sufficient energy density for a deceleration of the expansion rate. A linear expansion rate of 1/T would be no acceleration or deceleration at all, but the curve is not linear. Fairly close, but no cigar.

As we know all planetary bodies are rotating all of the moons are rotating even the sun is turning before us. This phenomenon is taking place throughout our galaxy even the galaxy its self is rotating. This obvious motion can be seen throughout the entire universe by the spiral arms of our neighboring galaxies that are saying look at me spin.

This is expected. It would be an incredible coincidence for any object to happen to have exactly zero angular momentum, so pretty much everything rotates. I cannot think of an exception. But at the larger scales, the net angular momentum per mass goes down since all the objects rotate in random directions and tend to cancel each other out if added together.  Superclusters have barely noticeable angular momentum to the point that I would not be able to say which way any of them turns.

So I have visualized this rotating motion not only as it is within the boundary of the universe but I propose that the universe its self is rotating

Finite angular speed of an infinitely spread out mass would result in faster than light motion of most of that mass. This cannot be, therefore the only way the universe could be rotating is if it was a finite thing, which contradicts the cosmological principle upon which most models rest.

generating the necessary centrifugal force that may be expanding our horizon.

That would be expansion expressed as motion through space, which has different obervables than does the metric expansion of space. This would thus contradict empirical observations. There would be an obvious center of the universe if it rotated about a preferred location. The expansion for one would all be in two dimensions and not at all on the axis of rotation. This is not what we see.

There does appear to be a central point as all the background radiation appears to be evenly spread throughout the universe making it very likely that we are in fact at that very central point equal radiation and equal redshift in all directions.

[Just thinking (OP)]

The redshift indicates that the velocity of other galaxies is moving away from us in all directions at a very equal and constant rate regarding their distance from us.

[Halc]

There does appear to be a central point as all the background radiation appears to be evenly spread throughout the universe making it very likely that we are in fact at that very central point equal radiation and equal redshift in all directions

The background radiation can appear isotropic from any point in the universe.

The redshift indicates that the velocity of other galaxies is moving away from us in all directions at a very equal and constant rate regarding their distance from us.

Similarly, this is true of any galaxy.  Relative to any given galaxy, the redshift of other galaxies as seen from an observer there would indicate that the velocity of other galaxies is moving away from them in all directions at a very equal and constant rate regarding their distance from them.

In both cases,  Our location is not special.

[Just thinking (OP)]

Yes, I must say that I agree with you on that count as the limit of visible light and radiation may be only local to us as the edge of the universe if there is such a thing may well be at different distances in all directions from us. Having said all that my original post and theory do not subscribe to the earth being in the very center of the universe.

[puppypower]

Heat moves from hot to cold but not from cold to hot. This mono direction of heat flow, will cool the original heat and thereby create a red shift affect, since cooler has a longer wavelength than hotter.  If we attribute the universal red shift to only velocity and Doppler shift, instead of partially to the  natural direction of heat flow, the universe will appear to expand faster than it is. Both affects can be occurring while the perception of expansion depends on the ratio.

Space is cold, so heat will naturally flow from all the warmer matter; stars and galaxies, toward the empty space between, where it cools and thereby red shifts. I would expect to see a red shift from all galaxies, due to constant heat loss into the space outside the galaxy. During the day the sun heats the earth but the earth does no cool the sun. During the night, the earth heats the space outside the atmosphere; hot to cold.

As a home experiment, you will need a device that measures IR; digital pyrometer. We will start with a pot of boiling water, place it on the counter, and watch the meter as it cools. As it cools, the IR wavelength will expand; red shift. Once it reaches room temperature; same as the space around it,  it will stay at one IR wavelength; cosmic microwave background.

This experiment could be used to create a good magic trick. We tell everyone we have seen a new galaxy that is projected onto a computer screen. It is really just a galaxy shade  pot of boiling water in space. As it quickly cools, it would appear to move close to the speed of light; rapid cooling red shift that is attributed to the motion. It then that disappears into the darkness of the equilibrium background temperature.

This experiment was done with IR and heat, but it will also work with any wavelength, since all energy will move from hot to cold or in the direction of a red shift. Hot and/or energetic always has a shorter wavelength and cold or less energetic always has a longer wavelength. So hot to cold or energetic to less energetic will red shift.

The practical reason for the direction of hot to cold,  is because a hotter energy signal can always find or induce unused energy levels within colder matter. I can take a gamma ray and absorb it with a pool of cold water. If we try to go from cold to hot, the hotter matter has its lowest energy levels saturated, so the cold energy photon has no room at the inn. Cold energy photons can hit the hot matter, but we will see no net affect. The affect is only seen in bulk going from hot to cold. For example, a light bulb can create a photoelectric affect on certain materials, but it will have little impact on another light bulb of the same caliber, since there are no available energy levels. 

Inside a distant galaxy, the flow of energy from hotter to colder is less evident, than the flow of energy from hot to cold, between galaxies. Inside the galaxies, there are too many light bulbs or stars renewing the heat. We will see a much stronger red shift between the galaxies, in the cold space between where there are few renewable energy sources. The farther away a galaxy is from us, the more time the heat can find some energy level to occupy and transfer its heat; red shift will increase with distance. Space has only rarified matter, so the red shift is slow; long periods of time.

This topic is about the expansion of the universe as inferred from the red shift. I showed that a red shift will also the result from energy moving from hotter to cold; cooling universe and renewable heat sources; stars, that sends rarefied matter into cold space for a dilute heat capacity sink for further long term cooling. This bottoms out at the CMBR.

[Just thinking (OP)]

You certainly have made a very good argument against the redshift indicating the expansion of the universe. And thank you for a very detailed account but you must remember that it is the main reason that science still believes that the universe is expanding continuing the search for why. The latest being dark mater along with many other possibilities for this expansion. My original post is just another possibility for why and how if there is no expansion then why are they still looking for answers.

[Bored chemist]

so heat will naturally flow from all the warmer matter; stars and galaxies, toward the empty space between, where it cools and thereby red shifts.

No
A photon going through space does not ordinarily "get cold".
That would be a breach of the conservation of energy.

And, because your whole idea is based on that, we know that your whole idea is wrong.
 

[Eternal Student]

Hi everyone.  I hope all is well.

To @Just thinking
   I think Halc made a good point in an earlier post that you don't seem to have picked up on.

    ...If the universe is thought of as something that is spinning and expansion is thought of as being the result of centrifugal force then....

The expansion for one would all be in two dimensions and not at all on the axis of rotation. This is not what we see.

   For example if you take a blob of dough (like the sort of thing a pizza chef makes his/her pizza base from) and spin it, then we can always identify an axis around which it is spun.   The dough is indeed enlarged, stretched or spread out by what might be described as a centrifugal force perpendicular to that axis but it is NOT stretched out along that axis.  So we end up a flat (almost 2-dimensional) circular pizza base and not a round (3-dimensional) football shape.  If the dough (or the universe) is expected to spread out or enlarge in all 3 directions equally then the axis of rotation must be changed frequently.  The conservation of angular momentum doesn't make this sort of change in spin easy to explain.

[Just thinking (OP)]

Hi everyone.  I hope all is well.

To @Just thinking
   I think Halc made a good point in an earlier post that you don't seem to have picked up on.

    ...If the universe is thought of as something that is spinning and expansion is thought of as being the result of centrifugal force then....

The expansion for one would all be in two dimensions and not at all on the axis of rotation. This is not what we see.

   For example if you take a blob of dough (like the sort of thing a pizza chef makes his/her pizza base from) and spin it, then we can always identify an axis around which it is spun.   The dough is indeed enlarged, stretched or spread out by what might be described as a centrifugal force perpendicular to that axis but it is NOT stretched out along that axis.  So we end up a flat (almost 2-dimensional) circular pizza base and not a round (3-dimensional) football shape.  If the dough (or the universe) is expected to spread out or enlarge in all 3 directions equally then the axis of rotation must be changed frequently.  The conservation of angular momentum doesn't make this sort of change in spin easy to explain.

Hi, thank you for making such a good point. I am very pleased to be able to explain this pizza example you see when we look out at the universe whether naked eye or with the most powerful telescopes that are in use we see very very far into the universe. Now to explain your dilemma to my theory the true size of the universe is unknown due to the fact that we can only see out to the limit of time that light has been traveling so there is no reason to not think that there is much much more scale to the universe than we can ever see. Let's say the universe is a million times larger than we can see now we can have a very thick pizza just like the rings of Saturn that do have a thickness to them the universe maybe 100 billion light-years thick and many trillions of light-years in diameter now if this has any truth or possibility to it then you can see how we can see redshift in all directions. One more point to make is galaxies that are seen in the neutral and in the blueshift, this would explain the vertical direction sean within our reach of the available light. never forget the likely scale of our universe.

[Bored chemist]

That's' a good point, but the thing is, we don't just measure the thickness, we measure the expansion.
And the expansion is the same in all directions ( to a very good precision)
Whereas, if it was created by centrifugal force, the expansion along the axis would be small (or, if we want to "stretch" the pizza analogy" - it would be negative.).

[Just thinking (OP)]

That's' a good point, but the thing is, we don't just measure the thickness, we measure the expansion.
And the expansion is the same in all directions ( to a very good precision)
Whereas, if it was created by centrifugal force, the expansion along the axis would be small (or, if we want to "stretch" the pizza analogy" - it would be negative.).

Let's say when the universe first started it may well have expanded into a sphere then as it started to rotate it become elliptical we may still see the remnants of this change plus the redshift that we see in its axis is not sean as a direction but as moving away. Moving away does not have to be moving directly away. When galaxies are observed no physical movement can be seen even stars in our own milky way can't be seen moving even though they are moving and changing. The movement of our nearest stars is like watching a snail's movement from a thousand miles away very hard to detect that is why the redshift is the only way to know that there is any movement at all.

[Bored chemist]

as it started to rotate

I'm fairly sure that's impossible due to the conservation of angular momentum.

Can you explain what twisted it?

[Just thinking (OP)]

as it started to rotate

I'm fairly sure that's impossible due to the conservation of angular momentum.

Can you explain what twisted it?

Do you mean what started to rotate the universe sorry I did not understand your question?

[Bored chemist]

Do you mean what started to rotate the universe

Yes.
Or rather, how is it possible?

[Just thinking (OP)]

Do you mean what started to rotate the universe

Yes.
Or rather, how is it possible?

Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many.

[Bored chemist]

So, there's no reason why it would be spinning, and the evidence says it isn't.

[Just thinking (OP)]

So, there's no reason why it would be spinning, and the evidence says it isn't.

Well now I am really out of words and ideas you have beaten me with questions and I am out. You put up a good debate and I thank you for all your effort. The biggest questions demand the biggest of answers.

[puppypower]

Do you mean what started to rotate the universe

Yes.
Or rather, how is it possible?

Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many.

If we assume gravity is a force, like the other three forces of nature, when mass lowers potential due to gravity, energy should be given off. Going from higher to lower potential releases energy. This gravity based energy output, if absorbed by other mass, should result in what appears to be an anti-gravity affect, if this theory is correct. The analogy is a hydrogen atom lowering energy level will give off a photon of energy. If this photon is absorbed by a different hydrogen atom, it will go to a higher energy level; mirrored action and reaction. 

When stars begin to form from a cloud of  dust, water crystals, and hydrogen gas, the mass will start to rotate, with the rotation creating a centrifugal force, the vector of which opposes the direction of gravity. The centrifugal force vector, created by the action/reaction rotation, goes in the opposite direction of gravity. There is a coordinated action and reaction, due to the exothermic output from gravity. The action of gravity explains the reaction rotation of stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies, since they all have the common feature of gravity acting and lowering potential.

Since these rotations do not always exactly cancel gravity, especially in the early formation of stars, the excess energy output, from the action of gravity, will go outward beyond the object. It will have an impact on larger and larger scale rotations, all the way to the universe. This explains why the universe appears to be expanding relative to the galaxies. They are isolated relative to each other by the action of their own gravity. Their constant exothermic output, due to constant star formation, is creating an antigravity affect onto each other. Dark energy may well be the exothermic output from gravity. Dark energy is not new but an old thing that was renamed. It is the exothermic output from the entire universe lowering gravitational potential.

Another way to look at this is via GR. If the action of gravity is causing space-time to contract as defined by GR, than the exothermic output, as gravity lowers potential energy, should cause space-time to expand, elsewhere. This is what dark energy does. While the centrifugal force created, which opposes gravity, seems to appear anywhere gravity acts. If we flush the toilet, gravity is lowering potential and rotation appears. The direction of rotation does not alter the direction and magnitude of the centrifugal force vector; still an anti-gravity in affect.