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Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator

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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #280 on: 03/12/2021 15:47:57 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 14:22:01
And? It's not?
Prove it.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #281 on: 03/12/2021 15:48:37 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 14:22:01
It's because once again you are unable to say why.
I have said why.

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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #282 on: 03/12/2021 15:53:14 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 07:39:44
Origin and Bored refute the idea of ​​an oscillation between matter and antimatter as scientists have discovered and explained it through mesons. That's it.
No. We do not..
We both accept that idea.

We are waiting for you to show that it has some link to gravity.


Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 14:22:01
Why use the word 'switch' when they use the word 'oscillation'?
Why not?
In this context they mean the same thing.

Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 14:22:01
who is the liar in the story?
You.

You said this
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 07:39:44
Origin and Bored refute the idea of ​​an oscillation between matter and antimatter as scientists have discovered and explained it through mesons. That's it.
We do not.
So you lied about us.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #283 on: 03/12/2021 15:53:33 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 11:36:39
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 01:18:00
I don't see how stupid this is.
I think we should leave it there.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #284 on: 04/12/2021 00:06:05 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 15:47:57
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 14:22:01
And? It's not?
Prove it.
That was a question I asked you. But one day I'll prove it to you. It's my job. I have a real business declared in this field. I'm going to go to university soon to develop my gravitational oscillator. Be patient.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 15:48:37
I have said why.
Show me. I don't see where.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 15:53:14
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 07:39:44
Origin and Bored refute the idea of ​​an oscillation between matter and antimatter as scientists have discovered and explained it through mesons. That's it.
No. We do not..
We both accept that idea.
Look at your friend what he wrote ; He does not agree with your statement:
Quote from: Origin on 25/11/2021 14:00:08
Antimatter has nothing to do with simple harmonic motion.
So?

Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 15:53:14
We are waiting for you to show that it has some link to gravity.
I do not understand what you are asking me there again. I already said it in this thread. I repeat myself with the example of the meson. Antimatter and matter which oscillates plus the gravity with the quark (potential energy and kinetic energy).

I just joined the antimatter / matter oscillation plus gravity.
Quote from: Kartazion on 30/11/2021 06:57:58
Hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_interaction_of_antimatter
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #285 on: 04/12/2021 00:38:23 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 15:47:57
Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 14:22:01
And? It's not?
Prove it.
Hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations exist. End.

But you still had rejected the veracity of this. No?

So now I don't see where the matter / antimatter problem is with the gravitational oscillator. I specify that all particles are subject to gravity. Even the photon.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #286 on: 04/12/2021 00:38:39 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 15:53:33
Look at your friend what he wrote ; He does not agree with your statement:

@ Origin.
My statement was

Quote from: Bored chemist on 03/12/2021 15:53:14
No. We do not..
We both accept that idea.

We are waiting for you to show that it has some link to gravity.
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Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 07:39:44
Origin and Bored refute the idea of ​​an oscillation between matter and antimatter as scientists have discovered and explained it through mesons. That's it.

Do you agree with my statement?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #287 on: 04/12/2021 00:42:07 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/12/2021 00:38:23
Hydrogen-antihydrogen oscillations exist. End.
Nobody has given any evidence for that.
You have cited some paper where someone claims it, but they offer no proof.
The fact that they call it "absolute proof" is a red flag.
As I said.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 30/11/2021 20:55:35
When someone says they have "Absolute proof" you shouldn't just take their word for it.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #288 on: 04/12/2021 00:43:12 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/12/2021 00:38:23
But you still had rejected the veracity of this. No?
I didn't comment on the veracity.
I commented that it's an unsupported assertion.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #289 on: 04/12/2021 00:45:26 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/12/2021 00:38:23
So now I don't see where the matter / antimatter problem is with the gravitational oscillator. I specify that all particles are subject to gravity. Even the photon.
Then you are an idiot.
We can drop a rock into a hole through the earth; it will oscillate.
Nobody disputes that. (In principle- in practice- it would be a challenge).

Do you think you can drop a photon into that hole and have it oscillate in the same way?

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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #290 on: 04/12/2021 00:48:26 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/11/2021 15:04:13
Also, the oscillation is anything by simple harmonic.

OK there's a typo there, it should say "anything but".

« Last Edit: 04/12/2021 00:52:16 by Bored chemist »
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #291 on: 04/12/2021 00:51:32 »
Quote from: Origin on 25/11/2021 14:00:08
Antimatter has nothing to do with simple harmonic motion.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/11/2021 15:04:13
Also, the oscillation is anything by simple harmonic.

It is clear that  we agree about the oscillation of matter and antimatter.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #292 on: 04/12/2021 01:50:04 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/12/2021 00:51:32
It is clear that  we agree about the oscillation of matter and antimatter.
Well everything is good because Antimatter has nothing to do with simple harmonic motion. Right?

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Then you are an idiot.
We can drop a rock into a hole through the earth; it will oscillate.
Nobody disputes that. (In principle- in practice- it would be a challenge).

Do you think you can drop a photon into that hole and have it oscillate in the same way?
The photon is a quantum particle*. It therefore oscillates between photon and antiphoton rather than oscillating itself. Do you understand this?

*Not like a rock.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #293 on: 04/12/2021 06:36:51 »
The hole through the Earth example is only there to indicate the cyclic principle (direction of the oscillation steps between kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy) brought to the quantum level.

The oscillation can also be represented by the Dirac sea to understand the path of the particle.



• yellow = particle,  • blue = antiparticle
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #294 on: 04/12/2021 11:32:37 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/12/2021 01:50:04
The photon is a quantum particle*. It therefore oscillates between photon and antiphoton rather than oscillating itself. Do you understand this?
A photon is it's own antiparticle, so that oscillation is meaningless.
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Do you understand this?
Better than you do- which is why I know that a photon is its own anti-particle.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #295 on: 04/12/2021 11:34:59 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/12/2021 06:36:51
The hole through the Earth example is only there to indicate the cyclic principle
So, there is no connection between gravity and this oscillation of particles with their antiparticles.
Well, that's what the rest of us have been saying all along.
But it is the opposite of what the thread title says.

Does that mean you have finally realised we a right?
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #296 on: 04/12/2021 13:55:07 »
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/12/2021 01:50:04
Well everything is good because Antimatter has nothing to do with simple harmonic motion. Right?
Yes, I guess we now agree.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #297 on: 04/12/2021 21:44:19 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/12/2021 11:32:37
A photon is it's own antiparticle, so that oscillation is meaningless.
Yes I made a mistake. I would make a special model for the photon or the gluon.

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Better than you do- which is why I know that a photon is its own anti-particle.
Congratulations.

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So, there is no connection between gravity and this oscillation of particles with their antiparticles.
Well, that's what the rest of us have been saying all along.
But it is the opposite of what the thread title says.

Does that mean you have finally realised we a right?
Yes we are right. The quantum particle has no potential energy, and the gravitational interaction of antimatter does not act when the particle is moving or oscillating. In other words, I will remember that gravity does not act on the quantum particle / antiparticle as it moves. Thank you. You are the best.

Quote from: Origin on 04/12/2021 13:55:07
Quote from: Kartazion on 04/12/2021 01:50:04
Well everything is good because Antimatter has nothing to do with simple harmonic motion. Right?
Yes, I guess we now agree.
Yes Origin we now agree. Because your friend says the same thing as you:
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/12/2021 00:51:32
It is clear that  we agree about the oscillation of matter and antimatter.

         
Thanks all, and au revoir.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #298 on: 07/12/2021 00:30:31 »

The days go by and nobody says nothing more ... nothing more after the confusion of the last message. Do you think you will get away with this? It was just an 'au revoir' and so here I am again. So rendez-vous to next page.
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Re: Unification of Quantum Mechanics and Gravitational Oscillator
« Reply #299 on: 07/12/2021 00:53:06 »
Additional appendix for readers who want to understand.

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Quote from: Kartazion on 03/12/2021 07:39:44
Origin and Bored refute the idea of ​​an oscillation between matter and antimatter as scientists have discovered and explained it through mesons. That's it.
No. We do not..
We both accept that idea.

We are waiting for you to show that it has some link to gravity.

1 - Quantum particles have a whole energy. They also have a mass, except the photon and gluon (and maybe even the graviton) and everything with mass is affected by gravity. But any source of energy can distort the geometry of space-time and is the source of a gravitational field. This is therefore the case for particles of zero mass such as the photon which is therefore massless. E = hv is the source of a gravitational field. One electron volt is the potential energy change caused by moving one electron's worth of charge, e, through an electrical potential difference of one volt. Hence one electron volt equals 1.602E-19 J.


2 - @Origin when you say 'Antimatter has nothing to do with simple harmonic motion' you are wrong.

3 - @Bored chemist please accept my apologies for not denying the oscillation.
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