[hamdani yusuf]

No, that would be faith. Belief is acceptance in the presence of evidence.

Too weak.

Knowledge is acceptance in the light of evidence, belief is acceptance in the absence of evidence, and faith is acceptance in the face of evidence.

Hence "I know I have a terminal disease. I believe in an almighty and merciful god. I have faith that god will heal me."

Let's refer to dictionary.

belief

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
"his belief in extraterrestrial life" · "a belief that climate can be modified beneficially"

something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion.
"we're prepared to fight for our beliefs" · "contrary to popular belief existing safety regulations were adequate"

a religious conviction.
"Christian beliefs" · "the medieval system of fervent religious belief"

In common usage, definition of belief doesn't exclude acceptance in the presence of evidence.

[hamdani yusuf]

What science finds God has done. I have faith in God and science. But when I die I will meat God, not science.

Will you be able to see/hear/think after you die? Do you have experience of not seeing/hearing/thinking?

[Zer0]

🙄

Hi Yusuf!
🙏

I'll be Honest, i was Not expecting that from you.

Don't you believe in Heaven?
(U need not answer if u do not wish to)
👍

Honest again, did Not watch Tia's video.
(short on time)
But isn't " G " supposed to be a personal thing.
Why would/should she need to provide proofs or evidence for her beliefs.
(But Yea, then prapz She should keep Her " G " to herself & not tell or influence anyone else)
👍

Ps - Sometimes you have to Unlearn, to Learn.

[hamdani yusuf]

 

🙄

Hi Yusuf!
🙏

I'll be Honest, i was Not expecting that from you.

Don't you believe in Heaven?
(U need not answer if u do not wish to)
👍

Honest again, did Not watch Tia's video.
(short on time)
But isn't " G " supposed to be a personal thing.
Why would/should she need to provide proofs or evidence for her beliefs.
(But Yea, then prapz She should keep Her " G " to herself & not tell or influence anyone else)
👍

Ps - Sometimes you have to Unlearn, to Learn.

Unexpected results come from false assumptions 
I believe that heaven is something that we have to build, so we need to learn how to build it. We can't rely on hope that someone else would build it for us, and then keep it running, and fix things in it when they get broken.

The question is repeated several times with various wordings, e. g.  Is faith a reliable way to believe in anything?
Basically, we want to make sure that what we believe is true, because it affects our decisions. False beliefs lead to wrong decisions, which in turn cause regrets. Naturally, we want to minimize regrets.

[Colin2B]

Guys, I'm signing out, of this. This junk thread has gone on for long enough. Someone should lock it, up.

You are under no obligation to participate in any particular thread. What may be junk to you might not be to others.

[Zer0]

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Ps - 🖖

[gerardseal]

I do not deny religion, and personally, my relationship with God is built on respect for him. But some people believe in mysticism and can see a divine manifestation in everything instead of relying on their strength. In my opinion, it's more like infantilism than religion. That's why science is so vigorously defended. It's because you have to make a lot of arguments to show that things have a pattern in nature. Scientists gain knowledge, test their ideas; that's what I mean.

[Origin]

Is faith a reliable way to believe in anything?
Basically, we want to make sure that what we believe is true, because it affects our decisions. False beliefs lead to wrong decisions, which in turn cause regrets.

There is no way to determine if a belief is true if there is no evidence to support that belief.  In other words faith is a poor basis for making a decision.

[alancalverd]

That's why science is so vigorously defended.

I'm not sure anyone actually defends science. It's more like a nuclear weapon: if you apply it to any other thought process, the target evaporates.

[wolfekeeper]

Even if those principles have been proven to be not all valid?

Does quantum theory follow any principle that justifies it to be called science?  What makes it different from non-scientific theories and pseudoscience?

Because it is in excellent agreement with experiment, and non-scientific and pseudoscience NEVER do.

[alancalverd]

belief

an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
"his belief in extraterrestrial life" · "a belief that climate can be modified beneficially"

something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion.
"we're prepared to fight for our beliefs" · "contrary to popular belief existing safety regulations were adequate"

a religious conviction.
"Christian beliefs" · "the medieval system of fervent religious belief"

In common usage, definition of belief doesn't exclude acceptance in the presence of evidence.

But the examples you quote are all cases where there is no evidence. Where there is evidence, common usage is "you can see that....","obviously....", "here is a photo of...."  or "the last time we did it...."

Picking up on Wolfie's theme, quantum theory arose as an explanation of observations and has so far predicted plenty more, which are exactly the characteristics of a scientific hypothesis. As it hasn't yet been disproved or found wanting in accuracy, it qualifies as scientific knowledge.

[yor_on]

Can't a Quantum Physics professor Not visit a church n pray n ask for blessings n wish for world peace?

To do so would violate his fundamental religious belief that his god created the world and all within it.

I don't make things that don't work, and I'm only a human tinkerer with limited skills, knowledge and resources. An omniscient, omnipotent being that can create anything out of nothing, surely wouldn't create a world that was not to his liking?

Every prayer for healing, peace, or indeed any change in the status quo, is telling said Being that he has screwed up and is not fit to be worshipped.  Prayer is the denial of faith.

Ahh Alan, that one was so sweetly logical :)
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Thinking of it, you know the riposte to that one? I'm sure you do. Free will and what it may lead to. So God isn't responsibility any more, it's us :)

And if (s)he's/it is so, then a prayer might be allowable without insulting, hopefully? Because it was he/she/it who gave us that free will, wasn't it? So you might still have a point there. 'Don't come complaining' sort of.

[yor_on]

Even if those principles have been proven to be not all valid?

Does quantum theory follow any principle that justifies it to be called science?  What makes it different from non-scientific theories and pseudoscience?

Trial and error, statistics, then a hypothesis, then a experiment building from that hypothesis, then new statistics and maybe a new hypothesis. And it produces things, like my computer. Aka tunnelings.
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[hamdani yusuf]

Even if those principles have been proven to be not all valid?

Does quantum theory follow any principle that justifies it to be called science?  What makes it different from non-scientific theories and pseudoscience?

Because it is in excellent agreement with experiment, and non-scientific and pseudoscience NEVER do.

Scientific theories may disagree with experiment, if the condition is beyond its applicability. E.g. Maxwell theory to explain the behaviors of very small or quickly moving particles.
Even non-science or pseudoscience can agree with some experimental results, primarily due to some coincidences. A broken clock can be correct twice a day.

[alancalverd]

Thinking of it, you know the riposte to that one? I'm sure you do. Free will and what it may lead to. So God isn't responsibility any more, it's us

If your god isn't responsible for what happens, prayer is just a waste of time. And what aspect of human free will is responsible for tsunamis or locust plagues?

My favorite example was a preacher who told us how, during the Blitz on London,  he had prayed that his sick daughter might die in peace. On the night of 14 November 1940 no bombs fell on east London and she did indeed pass away on a calm night.  Whilst the Luftwaffe was busy destroying Coventry instead - thanks be to the merciful Baptist god.

[Bored chemist]

Thinking of it, you know the riposte to that one? I'm sure you do. Free will and what it may lead to. So God isn't responsibility any more, it's us

That will be valid on the day when I can use my free will to remove the serpent from Eden where God (and only God)  chose to put it.
Until then, it's bollocks.

[hamdani yusuf]

Scientific theories as presented to school students are usually in idealized and oversimplified forms.  To apply them in real world, some additional information are often required, which are not always available in school textbooks. The unexplained discrepancy may lead someone to lose confidence in science generally.

[JoaquiCisneros]

Religion has never been a science, but it supports those who cannot be helped by science. Therefore, when doctors cannot save a patient, they rely on God's help and the soul's salvation.

[alancalverd]

But since the Almighty Creator caused the disease, or designed the human body to be susceptible to injury, the patient always dies in the end, presumably because that is God's Will.  Medicine is Sin.

[Deecart]

But since the Almighty Creator caused the disease, or designed the human body to be susceptible to injury, the patient always dies in the end, presumably because that is God's Will.  Medicine is Sin.

You are not doing logical answer, only assertionn not linkind together.
Why is medicine sin ? Because the creator caused the disease ? That is nonsense.
Drinking is sin because the creator caused the thirst.
Moving is sin because the creator caused the need to move.
Etc.
Total nonsense.

You can also simply think that the earth is some sort of hell, so there are some disease etc.
When you die you go out of this hell to another hell with other properties. Thats all.