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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #100 on: 03/03/2022 16:22:02 »
Quote from: Origin on 03/03/2022 14:22:01
You felt something in the right front part of your head, so you assumed it was an unknown particle from a pi-minus decay entering your mind? Is that what you are saying??

No, I deliberately searched for a pi-minus decay, and felt one (it was somewhat like seeing a flash of light), then I felt the particle entering my mind.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #101 on: 03/03/2022 17:03:16 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 16:22:02
No, I deliberately searched for a pi-minus decay,
You said you did not see a pi-minus decay, so how do you know it was a pi-minus decay?  What evidence do you have?  A flash of light or a feeling in your head is NOT evidence of pi-minus decay, those sights or feelings could be from anything.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #102 on: 03/03/2022 17:33:47 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 12:32:52
Just my own feeling.
Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 12:32:52
I didn't see it, but I felt it.

What evidence do you have that this feeling of yours had anything to do with a particle decay of any type?

Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 12:32:52
Observe a pi-minus decay and feel it for yourself.

And how I am supposed to do that? Moreover, how am I supposed to confirm that any feeling that I experience is connected in any way to particle decay?

Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 16:22:02
No, I deliberately searched for a pi-minus decay

How?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #103 on: 03/03/2022 19:11:14 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/03/2022 17:33:47
How?

I sort of scanned for it.

Quote from: Kryptid on 03/03/2022 17:33:47
What evidence do you have that this feeling of yours had anything to do with a particle decay of any type?

I sort of registered a ray that stopped.

Quote from: Kryptid on 03/03/2022 17:33:47
And how I am supposed to do that? Moreover, how am I supposed to confirm that any feeling that I experience is connected in any way to particle decay?

At a particle accelerator. You can interrogate the feeling in your mind.

Quote from: Origin on 03/03/2022 17:03:16
You said you did not see a pi-minus decay, so how do you know it was a pi-minus decay?  What evidence do you have?  A flash of light or a feeling in your head is NOT evidence of pi-minus decay, those sights or feelings could be from anything.

What else could it be?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #104 on: 03/03/2022 19:37:26 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 19:11:14
What else could it be?
An hallucination.
We have been here before...
Quote from: Kryptid on 22/01/2021 20:27:38
Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
I believe they are not hallucinations.

Many schizophrenics don't believe their hallucinations are hallucinations either. Belief is irrelevant. Evidence is what is important.

Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
It will be proven when a letter or email arrives here from one of my contacts.

Not really. There would be no way to prove to us that you sent that information via telepathy. You would need to demonstrate your telepathic abilities in a controlled environment in order to show its existence scientifically.

Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
You can't: it is two Hydrogen atoms in my throat.

Then it isn't open to scientific investigation and therefore isn't science.

Quote from: talanum1 on 22/01/2021 16:02:24
Maybe I can go somewhere where they have a cloud chamber and make some particle in it, while stating: "I made a particle", then there must be a corresponding trail in the cloud chamber.

There would be no way to tell that any of the countless particle trails in the chamber were made by you, so that isn't science either.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #105 on: 03/03/2022 20:04:55 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 19:11:14
I sort of scanned for it.
Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 19:11:14
I sort of registered a ray that stopped.
These statements are delusional.

 I am strongly suggesting that this be moved to "that can't be true" since this doesn't come close to being any sort of science.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #106 on: 03/03/2022 20:11:29 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 19:11:14
I sort of scanned for it.

How? Do you have a scanner of some kind?

Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 19:11:14
I sort of registered a ray that stopped.

How? You realize you are on a science board, don't you? You need to give us evidence that we can actually analyze, not just your word.

Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 19:11:14
At a particle accelerator. You can interrogate the feeling in your mind.

Were you at a particle accelerator when you did this? Were you in a scenario where your result could be distinguished from placebo?

Quote from: talanum1 on 03/03/2022 19:11:14
What else could it be?

The placebo effect.

Quote from: Origin on 03/03/2022 20:04:55
I am strongly suggesting that this be moved to "that can't be true" since this doesn't come close to being any sort of science.

I agree in part, but lately I have been wondering if it's even appropriate to do that. "That Can't Be True" seems not to originally had the purpose of storing crank threads.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #107 on: 03/03/2022 20:55:32 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/03/2022 20:11:29
I agree in part, but lately I have been wondering if it's even appropriate to do that. "That Can't Be True" seems not to originally had the purpose of storing crank threads.
Agreed, this needs to go to a 'cesspool' or 'garbage' section.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #108 on: 03/03/2022 21:06:38 »
Quote from: Origin on 03/03/2022 20:55:32
Agreed, this needs to go to a 'cesspool' or 'garbage' section.

That's not a terrible idea. Perhaps I'll talk to the other mods about it.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #109 on: 03/03/2022 23:30:11 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/03/2022 20:11:29
I agree in part, but lately I have been wondering if it's even appropriate to do that. "That Can't Be True" seems not to originally had the purpose of storing crank threads.
That’s right, it also has greater visibility than New Theories so not a good place to move it.
Some of the things being said here are blatantly untrue and could be classed as delusional, and if not delusional then outright lies. Let’s discuss offline.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #110 on: 04/03/2022 17:10:48 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 03/03/2022 20:11:29
Were you at a particle accelerator when you did this? Were you in a scenario where your result could be distinguished from placebo?

No, I weren't at an accelerator. One day when there is a computer-mind interface I can check it.

Quote from: Colin2B on 03/03/2022 23:30:11
nd if not delusional then outright lies

I take exception at being called a liar.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #111 on: 04/03/2022 17:13:08 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 04/03/2022 17:10:48
I take exception at being called a liar.
So it's a delusion then.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #112 on: 04/03/2022 17:40:10 »
I'm still waiting for you to explain how you know that your sensation had anything to do with pion decay. Tell me how you know it wasn't placebo.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #113 on: 04/03/2022 17:42:15 »
My model highlights the problem of Parity: if coordinates are reversed left-right, a photon wavefunction do not acquire a negative sign, but if up-down is reversed it does.

Quote from: Kryptid on 04/03/2022 17:40:10
Tell me how you know it wasn't placebo.

It was too distinctive. My "hallucinations" are just auditory.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #114 on: 04/03/2022 17:44:02 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 04/03/2022 17:42:15
My hallucinations are just auditory.
No, they are not.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #115 on: 04/03/2022 17:59:54 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 04/03/2022 17:10:48
Quote from: Colin2B on 03/03/2022 23:30:11
nd if not delusional then outright lies
I take exception at being called a liar.
I gave 2 options, I see you have chosen delusional.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #116 on: 04/03/2022 18:22:38 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 04/03/2022 17:42:15
My "hallucinations" are just auditory.
Are you on medication for your auditory hallucinations?  You can, of course, ignore this if you don't wish to answer.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #117 on: 04/03/2022 18:36:10 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 04/03/2022 17:40:10
I'm still waiting for you to explain how you know that your sensation had anything to do with pion decay.

I'm still waiting.

Quote from: talanum1 on 04/03/2022 17:42:15
It was too distinctive.

How do you know that? You'd be surprised at what the placebo effect can do:

I recall seeing a program on television where people were given regular crystals but were told that they crystals had some kind of special energy in them. After handling the crystals for a while, the people being tested reported that they could actually feel the energy. A perfect example of a seemingly real physical sensation caused by placebo. If I can find that clip again, I'll post it.

Here's another example of how the mind can fabricate physical sensations:
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #118 on: 05/03/2022 12:41:09 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 04/03/2022 18:36:10
I'm still waiting for you to explain how you know that your sensation had anything to do with pion decay.

I'm still waiting.

When I recalled it I saw a particle trajectory in the image in my mind.
« Last Edit: 05/03/2022 12:46:25 by talanum1 »
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #119 on: 05/03/2022 13:12:38 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 05/03/2022 12:41:09
Quote from: Kryptid on 04/03/2022 18:36:10
I'm still waiting for you to explain how you know that your sensation had anything to do with pion decay.

I'm still waiting.

When I recalled it I saw a particle trajectory in the image in my mind.
Imagining things doesn't make them real.
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