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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #120 on: 05/03/2022 13:14:28 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 05/03/2022 12:41:09
When I recalled it I saw a particle trajectory in the image in my mind.
Well, I guess that settles it!  We are going to have to throw out the Standard Model and replace it with The Stuff I Imagine Model.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #121 on: 05/03/2022 16:07:02 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 05/03/2022 12:41:09
When I recalled it I saw a particle trajectory in the image in my mind.

Seriously, now: are you trying to tell us that pictures in your head are scientific evidence? When I asked you how you know it had anything to do with pion decay, I wanted you to respond with something objective.

Besides, your particle can't exist because it still violates conservation of momentum. You said that it doesn't have any momentum of its own, but it has to be able to interact with the atoms in your brain in order for you to somehow sense it. That means energy has to be transferred from your particle to the atoms. Once those atoms gain kinetic energy, they gain momentum. So where there was initially no momentum, now there is some momentum. That violates conservation of momentum.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #122 on: 07/03/2022 11:09:34 »
You are saying that: if energy goes into a mind and causes ions to move, momentum conservation is violated, but it happens all the time that the soul causes ions to move. How else does an original thought arise?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #123 on: 07/03/2022 13:13:40 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 07/03/2022 11:09:34
the soul causes ions to move.
Do you have any evidence of this remarkable phenomena?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #124 on: 07/03/2022 13:22:46 »
Quote from: Origin on 07/03/2022 13:13:40
Do you have any evidence of this remarkable phenomena?

Yes: the fact that people can talk.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #125 on: 07/03/2022 14:01:33 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 07/03/2022 13:22:46
Yes: the fact that people can talk.
That is not evidence that "the soul causes ions to move".  Do you think parrots have a soul?
Please don't be silly and supply real evidence if you have any.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #126 on: 07/03/2022 19:50:20 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 07/03/2022 11:09:34
You are saying that: if energy goes into a mind and causes ions to move, momentum conservation is violated, but it happens all the time that the soul causes ions to move. How else does an original thought arise?

Brain activity is what causes those ions to move and thoughts to arise. There is nothing about the brain that violates conservation of momentum.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #127 on: 07/03/2022 22:34:25 »
I'm still waiting for an answer from Talantum.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/03/2022 20:24:26
Quote from: talanum1 on 01/03/2022 19:43:49
The L0 has no momentum so that leaves only energy to be read off the observer's mind. The L0 will always have the same energy, so the other two particles can have definite energies.
Do you actually think this might be science?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #128 on: 09/03/2022 08:52:46 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/03/2022 22:34:25
I'm still waiting for an answer from Talantum.

It's science, just coupled with mind science.

Actually there is a correction: the velocity of the space points in the electron. We can generalize the formula: mrv = J to Erv/c2 = ħ/2. This gives: v ≈ 1016 m/s, which is faster than the speed of light, but note that the mass encoding is located on the axis of rotation, so that only space points are required to travel at faster than light speed. If space can expand faster than light, then points of space can travel faster than light.

Quote from: Origin on 07/03/2022 14:01:33
That is not evidence that "the soul causes ions to move".  Do you think parrots have a soul?

It's a matter of faith. To prove it you would have to tap into the brain. Yes I think parrots have a soul.

Quote from: Kryptid on 07/03/2022 19:50:20
Brain activity is what causes those ions to move and thoughts to arise. There is nothing about the brain that violates conservation of momentum.

How do you explain an original thought then? That is just a belief.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #129 on: 09/03/2022 08:57:03 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 09/03/2022 08:52:46
just coupled with mind science.
So, not science, but some rubbish you imagined.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #130 on: 09/03/2022 09:56:30 »
The problem of faster than light travel remains in the point particle model. It uses mvr = J giving v faster than light.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #131 on: 09/03/2022 12:48:56 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 09/03/2022 09:56:30
The problem of faster than light travel remains in the point particle model. It uses mvr = J giving v faster than light.
That doesn't mean anything.
It's just word salad.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #132 on: 09/03/2022 14:01:36 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/03/2022 12:48:56
The problem of faster than light travel remains in the point particle model. It uses mvr = J giving v faster than light.
That doesn't mean anything.
It's just word salad.

This is the crucial point for you to understand: point particle does not work.

Yet you refuse to understand.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #133 on: 09/03/2022 14:24:13 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 09/03/2022 14:01:36
Yet you refuse to understand.
We all understand this is nonsense.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #134 on: 09/03/2022 16:42:36 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 09/03/2022 08:52:46
How do you explain an original thought then?

The same way that a computer has an "original thought": the reaction of a program to inputs. I don't know if anyone can say that they have had a truly original thought. When people come up with new ideas, they are inevitably influenced by things that they have previously learned.

Quote from: talanum1 on 09/03/2022 08:52:46
That is just a belief.

One that doesn't violate conservation of momentum and is therefore consistent with the known laws of physics. I need to point out that a soul causing thoughts wouldn't necessarily violate conservation of momentum either. If a soul had energy and momentum, and is capable of transmitting and receiving those same things, then no violation occurs. So your counterpoint trying to justify your particle violating momentum conservation doesn't work.

The fact of the matter is that you can't justify one speculative case of violation of conservation of momentum by pointing out a different speculative case of violation of momentum. It doesn't work. Your particle has been falsified. Stop moving the goalposts.

Quote from: talanum1 on 09/03/2022 14:01:36
This is the crucial point for you to understand: point particle does not work.

The point particle model being wrong wouldn't make your model be right. Both can be wrong (especially since your model breaks at least one law of physics).
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #135 on: 09/03/2022 18:06:09 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 09/03/2022 08:52:46
It's a matter of faith.
Then it is not science. 
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #136 on: 10/03/2022 11:37:48 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 09/03/2022 16:42:36
The same way that a computer has an "original thought": the reaction of a program to inputs.

For a computer to think you need some operator to load and run the program. Who does this for Humans? There must be momentum non-conservation even if the soul is made out of energy.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #137 on: 10/03/2022 12:44:51 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 10/03/2022 11:37:48
For a computer to think you need some operator to load and run the program. Who does this for Humans? There must be momentum non-conservation even if the soul is made out of energy.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 09/03/2022 12:48:56
That doesn't mean anything.
It's just word salad.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/03/2022 22:34:25
I'm still waiting for an answer from Talantum.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/03/2022 20:24:26
Quote from: talanum1 on 01/03/2022 19:43:49
The L0 has no momentum so that leaves only energy to be read off the observer's mind. The L0 will always have the same energy, so the other two particles can have definite energies.
Do you actually think this might be science?

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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #138 on: 10/03/2022 12:57:57 »
It can become science if a lot of people experience it for themselves.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #139 on: 10/03/2022 13:05:36 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 10/03/2022 12:57:57
It can become science if a lot of people experience it for themselves.
Get back to us if that happens.
Until then, please don't try to raise it on a science page.
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