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Is my Model for Particles Correct?

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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #200 on: 02/04/2022 13:12:01 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 02/04/2022 13:08:19
I am stating a fact: anything that can be described by a mathematical formula is a computer.
Bollocks.
Show me a dictionary that agrees with your viewpoint.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #201 on: 02/04/2022 17:31:24 »
Anything that can be represented by a formula gives an output for a given input, like a computer. This is what I mean by the word.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #202 on: 02/04/2022 17:34:57 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 02/04/2022 17:31:24
This is what I mean by the word.
It isn't what anyone else mean, is it.
It's also useless because I can describe a cardboard box or a bowl of spaghetti or a star or whatever as a set of equations.
According to you , everything is a computer.
So you have just changed the meaning of the word "computer" to equate to the word "thing"

That's stupid.
Please stop doing it.
But
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #203 on: 04/04/2022 13:41:01 »
If you don't allow particles to carry their properties, you must allow the properties to be encoded in space and every particle referred to by a serial number (which the particle will have to carry). It cannot be encoded into the fields because they are just numbers associated to every point in space.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #204 on: 04/04/2022 16:10:21 »
My coffee mug is blue.
That's a property of the mug.
It doesn't need "encoding".
It isn't "written" into the space round the mug either.

This idea that things need to be "encoded" is a fantasy of yours.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #205 on: 05/04/2022 17:55:55 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/04/2022 16:10:21
My coffee mug is blue.
That's a property of the mug.
It doesn't need "encoding".

It needs to be encoded into the mug: how else are blue photons going to know to be reflected while other photons need to know to be absorbed?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #206 on: 05/04/2022 18:20:41 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 05/04/2022 17:55:55
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/04/2022 16:10:21
My coffee mug is blue.
That's a property of the mug.
It doesn't need "encoding".

It needs to be encoded into the mug: how else are blue photons going to know to be reflected while other photons need to know to be absorbed?
Because the mug is blue, not because it has a label saying "I am blue".
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #207 on: 05/04/2022 20:55:37 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 05/04/2022 17:55:55
how else are blue photons going to know to be reflected while other photons need to know to be absorbed?

Either electron energy levels or the size of physical structures on the cup's surface (if its color works like that in butterfly wings).
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #208 on: 06/04/2022 12:25:29 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 20:55:37
Either electron energy levels or the size of physical structures on the cup's surface

Then it must be encoded into the atoms what energy values are open and what filled, and the size of the gaps between them.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #209 on: 06/04/2022 12:36:36 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 06/04/2022 12:25:29
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2022 20:55:37
Either electron energy levels or the size of physical structures on the cup's surface

Then it must be encoded into the atoms what energy values are open and what filled, and the size of the gaps between them.
Why are you calling this an "encoding"?
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #210 on: 06/04/2022 13:50:39 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 06/04/2022 12:36:36
Why are you calling this an "encoding"?

I mean the structure of the atom must be something the photon can read. Forget that I called it "encoding".
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #211 on: 06/04/2022 15:08:12 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 06/04/2022 13:50:39
I mean the structure of the atom must be something the photon can read.
Photons are illiterate.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #212 on: 07/04/2022 12:14:50 »
This is why I say the Universe is a computer: the photon or space must be able to compute the excited states energy of an atom from the atomic number of the atom.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #213 on: 08/04/2022 08:52:57 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 07/04/2022 12:14:50
This is why I say the Universe is a computer
You say everything is a computer so that doesn't tell you anything.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #214 on: 08/04/2022 09:19:32 »
It's entirely logical.

A computer does things when it is working
A computer does nothing when it is not working
Everything else either does stuff (definition of working) or not
Therefore everything is a computer.

Come on, BC, give the guy some credit. He has discovered a profound universal truth.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #215 on: 09/04/2022 16:49:44 »
There is a way of telling if you are spinning along with a bucket of water or if the bucket is stationary and you are spinning. Thus an absolute rest frame exists.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #216 on: 09/04/2022 17:47:09 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 09/04/2022 16:49:44
There is a way of telling if you are spinning along with a bucket of water or if the bucket is stationary and you are spinning. Thus an absolute rest frame exists.

That is accelerated motion, not inertial motion. Accelerated motion is absolute, whereas inertial motion is relative.
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Re: Is my Model for Particles Correct?
« Reply #217 on: 09/04/2022 18:47:13 »
Quote from: talanum1 on 09/04/2022 16:49:44
There is a way of telling if you are spinning along with a bucket of water or if the bucket is stationary and you are spinning. Thus an absolute rest frame exists.
No
All you have done there is show that acceleration is not the same as velocity.
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