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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #100 on: 22/02/2022 22:40:59 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 22:35:41
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:03:44
Oh...can you bend time?
Yes, spacetime is warped by a mass, both space and time.
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And whose or which time can you bend??
The time and space affected by the mass.
Time at the surface of the earth for instance passes more slowly than time passing farther away from the earth.  This has been shown experimentally, countless of times.
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oh my... oh my... oh no....Please be specific...
...Oh yes... it's a real thing.
Here is one experiment: https://www.science.org/content/article/after-botched-launch-orbiting-atomic-clocks-confirm-einsteins-theory-relativity
There are many more, just google it.
You don't bend time, you just bend space. And when you are inside that bended space, that is the time you called "bended time"...or can call it "slow time or time had changed or time differences"... make reality simple, and you will see it clearer...that is how Einstein saw the world.. from simple curiosity, you changed the world. For example, Action Reaction...that is very basic from Newton.. but we use that to build beautiful buildings...
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #101 on: 22/02/2022 22:42:38 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 22:39:31
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:32:54
I knew it
Then why ask?
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:32:54
but I am just specific: between me and the photon
What is that supposed to mean?  There is no time dilation between you and a photon, a photon does not have a valid reference frame. 
Just checking if you have the same level of understanding with me...

There are many people who are boasting that they knew reality, when asked, they could never answer...just checking...
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #102 on: 22/02/2022 22:46:26 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:26:35
I did not talk to Schwarzschild, so I cannot ask him if he too knew about GRAVITY, because anybody could imagine anything and use and invent formula and conclude, "Hey, this formula is part of nature about gravity". If Schwarzschild did not know GRAVITY, then, his calculation, whatever good it is, is wrong. FIRST, you must see the real reality of GRAVITY and use math...
Please don't be an idiot.  Einstein's field equations are the best and most accurate theory of gravity.  The Schwarzschild radius is an exact solution to the field equations.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #103 on: 22/02/2022 22:48:49 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:42:38
There are many people who are boasting that they knew reality, when asked, they could never answer...just checking...
Oh, bovine excrement!  You are clearly ignorant of physics, it is painfully obvious.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #104 on: 22/02/2022 22:54:01 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:42:38
There are many people who are boasting that they knew reality, when asked, they could never answer
The first question asked in this thread was
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Is that like your unsupported and impossible claim to have reviewed all the papers about the theory of evolution?

and you still have not answered it.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #105 on: 22/02/2022 22:55:09 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 22:46:26
lol!!! I believed Einstein, but I do not believe Schwarzschild! Why should I believe him?

I could personally confirm with my simple Postrado Pool what Einstein had seen, thus I support Einstein, but with Schwarzschild, I do not know if he really understood about GRAVITY.

Be honest here: do you too understand GRAVITY, if you do, can you predict black hole by using GRAVITY? Let us try if you can..

Be honest...
lol!!! I believed Einstein, but I do not believe Schwarzschild! Why should I believe him?

I could personally confirm with my simple Postrado Pool what Einstein had seen, thus I support Einstein, but with Schwarzschild, I do not know if he really understood about GRAVITY.

Be honest here: do you too understand GRAVITY, if you do, can you predict black hole by using GRAVITY? Let us try if you can..

Be honest...
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #106 on: 22/02/2022 22:55:19 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:40:59
You don't bend time, you just bend space.
That is obviously wrong.  If only spaced warped and not time then a cannon ball, a thrown baseball and a photon moving from the same starting point would trace out the same path around a massive object.  Since that doesn't happen you are wrong yet again.  At least you're consistent.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #107 on: 22/02/2022 22:58:19 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 22:55:19
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:40:59
You don't bend time, you just bend space.
That is obviously wrong.  If only spaced warped and not time then a cannon ball, a thrown baseball and a photon moving from the same starting point would trace out the same path around a massive object.  Since that doesn't happen you are wrong yet again.  At least you're consistent.
WHAT??? Let us go to the basic: what is the cause of warped or bent space? Which time did you bend, what angle of bending? Oh please, be specific and be real... go back to the basic of bending space... let us see who has the best knowledge...

You are talking two objects: a ball and photon of light.. do not mix it...ok, let us see who has the best understanding of reality...
« Last Edit: 22/02/2022 23:02:04 by MrIntelligentDesign »
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #108 on: 22/02/2022 23:00:09 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:55:09
lol!!! I believed Einstein, but I do not believe Schwarzschild! Why should I believe him?
Einstein, all other physicists and mathematicians agreed with Schwarzschild.  You are really quite clueless about physics aren't you?
« Last Edit: 22/02/2022 23:30:57 by Origin »
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #109 on: 22/02/2022 23:01:48 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:58:19
...  Which time did you bend, what angle of bending? Oh please, be specific and be real... go back to the basic of bending space... let us see who has the best knowledge...
If you take two clocks they will tell you a different time.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #110 on: 22/02/2022 23:03:14 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:55:09
Be honest...
Really, that from you...?? ::)
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #111 on: 22/02/2022 23:04:28 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 23:00:09
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:55:09
lol!!! I believed Einstein, but I do not believe Schwarzschild! Why should I believe him?
Einstein, physicist and mathematicians agreed with Schwarzschild.  You are really quite clueless about physics aren't you?
I told you that I support Einstein. But those physicists and mathematicians and Schwarzschild, I do not know. Do they know Einstein's explanation of GRAVITY? Why nobody could not predict a black hole here by using GRAVITY, if they think know about GRAVITY from Einstein?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #112 on: 22/02/2022 23:05:44 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 23:03:14
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 22:55:09
Be honest...
Really, that from you...?? ::)
Please be honest. Do you really understand GRAVITY? If yes, can you use GRAVITY to correctly predict a Black Hole?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #113 on: 22/02/2022 23:06:22 »
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...  Which time did you bend, what angle of bending? Oh please, be specific and be real... go back to the basic of bending space... let us see who has the best knowledge...
If you take two clocks they will tell you a different time.
Yeah, I knew it too and knew when and where to apply.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #114 on: 22/02/2022 23:13:46 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 23:06:22
Yeah, I knew it too and knew when and where to apply.
And how do you apply it on your pool analogy?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #115 on: 22/02/2022 23:30:54 »
Actually, Isaac Newton may have been the first person to predict black holes by imagining a star that had so much gravity that light couldn't escape. He called them "dark stars", although they didn't behave exactly the same as the modern concept of black holes.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #116 on: 22/02/2022 23:35:34 »
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 23:04:28
I told you that I support Einstein. But those physicists and mathematicians and Schwarzschild, I do not know. Do they know Einstein's explanation of GRAVITY?
Are daft????
What do you not understand about Schwarzschild finding an exact solution to Einstein's field equations?  How could he possibly find a solution to a problem he didn't understand?  Are you even reading what you are writing?
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #117 on: 22/02/2022 23:46:40 »
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 23:35:34
Please be honest. Do you really understand GRAVITY? If yes, can you use GRAVITY to correctly predict a Black Hole?
Please be honest. Do you really understand GRAVITY? If yes, can you use GRAVITY to correctly predict a Black Hole? Let us forget
Quote from: Origin on 22/02/2022 23:35:34
Quote from: MrIntelligentDesign on 22/02/2022 23:04:28
I told you that I support Einstein. But those physicists and mathematicians and Schwarzschild, I do not know. Do they know Einstein's explanation of GRAVITY?
Are daft????
What do you not understand about Schwarzschild finding an exact solution to Einstein's field equations?  How could he possibly find a solution to a problem he didn't understand?  Are you even reading what you are writing?
Please be honest. Do you really understand GRAVITY? If yes, can you use GRAVITY to correctly predict a Black Hole? let us stop talking Schwarzschild, I cannot confirm if he really know what he had done..
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #118 on: 22/02/2022 23:48:27 »
Yes, you can use gravity to predict black holes.
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Re: Black Holes are Probably Wrong?
« Reply #119 on: 22/02/2022 23:50:42 »
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Yes, you can use gravity to predict black holes.
How? What is a black hole by using GRAVITY, accdg to Einstein?
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