[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

I'll ask you again:  If you have two people pushing against each other, do you really believe the weaker person will win?

I don not need to answer your question.If I am wrong What is the right answers for my questions. You do not know the answers, do you?

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

It is your "experiment".
You should be telling us what the outcome is.

If you can not know the right outcome, how you can determine my explanation is wrong?

[Origin]

What is the x force on the scale ?

The force on the scale when you are not moving is about 588 N.
If you take 0.5 seconds to stand on your toes your 'X' would be about 8 N.

[Bored chemist]

how you can determine my explanation is wrong?

Because your "explanation" is that magic did it.
And we know that magic is not real.

[Kryptid]

I don not need to answer your question.

If I answer your questions, will you answer mine?

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

This is a second experiment:
A rope is fixed to a horizontal bar the other end of the rope a person pulls it to lift his body up. There is a scale fixed to the rope between the bar and the person to measure the force the person lifts his body with. The scale shows the person weight 60 kg. When the person tries to lift himself up the weight on the scale will increase by x kg in which the scale shows 60+x this x kg or x*9.8 newtons is the force the human lifts his body with

[Kryptid]

Excuse me:

I don not need to answer your question.

If I answer your questions, will you answer mine?

[Bored chemist]

This is a second experiment:
A rope is fixed to a horizontal bar the other end of the rope a person pulls it to lift his body up. There is a scale fixed to the rope between the bar and the person to measure the force the person lifts his body with. The person exerts exactly the force he needs to lift his body up no more. If the person is 60 kg the force he must exert to lift his body must at least equal to his weight 600 N. The force on the scale he lifts his body with is very smaller than the person's weight 600 N.
Gravity acceleration=10 m/s²

Even more wrongness.
Why can't you understand that 60Kg is 60Kg?

[hamdani yusuf]

What is the x force on the scale ?
Why an x appears when I lift my body?
When I lift my body the x force appears, what is the relation between the force I press on the scale and the value of the x on the scale?

When you lift your body from a stationary position, the center of your mass must first accelerate upward.
The force x = your mass times your acceleration. But since parts of your body have different acceleration, then x must be integrated from parts of your body. Your toes are not moving, hence 0 acceleration. On the other hand, your head experiences greater acceleration.
x = ∫a dm
Once you reach highest velocity upward, you need to decelerate (or accelerate downward). Otherwise you would fly away from the scale. Gravity would normally provide this downward acceleration, and you only need to reduce your acceleration upward. The weight scale would read lower than your normal weight. In this case, it would read 60-x.
x is the effective deceleration rate, which should be calculated by integration, for the reason I said above.
We can omit the integral by saying that x = a.m, where a is acceleration of your central mass. But when your body changes stance/posture, your central mass will be located at different point in space.
When you stop moving and stay at the higher position, the weight scale will return to show your normal weight, and x=0.

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

Humans are of flesh and bones which is different from other masses. This also includes other living beings. A horse's legs can bear its massive average mass 300 kg.

[hamdani yusuf]

Humans are of flesh and bones which is different from other masses. This also includes other living beings. A horse's legs can bear its massive average mass 300 kg.

Does it include preserved animals?

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

Humans are of flesh and bones which is different from other masses. This also includes other living beings. A horse's legs can bear its massive average mass 300 kg.

Does it include preserved animals?

Meat is a special matter. But the force must come from the muscles. A dead meat doesn't have force.

[Kryptid]

Are you ignoring me on purpose?

Excuse me:

I don not need to answer your question.

If I answer your questions, will you answer mine?

[hamdani yusuf]

Meat is a special matter. But the force must come from the muscles. A dead meat doesn't have force.

What do you think about bats hanging upside down? Do they have lower weight?

[Bored chemist]

But the force must come from the muscles. A dead meat doesn't have force.

The experiment was done.*
Dead bodies weigh the same as live bodies.
So you are wrong.
Why are you still posting as if your idea might be correct?


And I'd like to see you answer Kryptid's question too.

*There are also other problems with your idea.
People just about float in water so we know that they have a density about the same as water.
If they somehow weighed less then their density would be less and they would float "high" in water like foamed plastic does.

[Kryptid]

I'm still waiting.

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

Um, it absolutely does. Math is an aspect of physics. If you have two people pushing against each other, do you really believe the weaker person will win?

No. You have misunderstanding of the relation of math and physics, physics is the reality math says how, If a number 4 represent the stronger force and a number 2 represent the weaker force what makes the net force is the subtraction.

[Kryptid]

No.

Then you agree that the greater force will overpower the lesser force. That goes against what you have been saying.

You have misunderstanding of the relation of math and physics

No, I don't. Physics and math don't disagree with each other.

If a number 4 represent the stronger force and a number 2 represent the weaker force what makes the net force is the subtraction.

Exactly. That's how we know that the force raising you up against gravity must be greater than the force of gravity itself if you are indeed moving upwards.

[Yahya A.Sharif (OP)]

No, I don't. Physics and math don't disagree with each other.

Who says the relation is agreeing or disagreeing

If a number 4 represent the stronger force and a number 2 represent the weaker force what makes the net force is the subtraction

Exactly.

How?

[Kryptid]

Who says the relation is agreeing or disagreeing

Experimentation. You honestly can't think that physics and math disagree, can you? Please tell me you don't believe that...

How?

What do you mean, "how?" I'm agreeing with what you said. So are you disagreeing with yourself?